The new influx of Turkish mag fed bullpup autoloaders...any MA FFL transferring yet?

[MetalSLugX]

I see only one evil feature, the DBM. The pistol grip protrudes conspicuously beneath the barrel of the weapon.
Even still... the few places by me don't want to play in the grey and refuse to transfer.

1. A semiautomatic shotgun that has two of the following:
   • A folding or telescoping stock.
   • A pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon.
   • A fixed magazine capacity in excess of 5 rounds
   • The ability to accept a detachable magazine.
2. Any shotgun with a revolving cylinder.

 

[Dennis in MA]

So that's not a protrusion below the action??? (Not the end of the magazine - ACTION!). Goiter, maybe???

Just because the man hasn't come to arrest you don't mean that you are within the law.

At one time I thought a semi-auto shotgun was the nuts and I HAD to have one. At one point, Saiga sold theirs with a traditional rifle stock as an option. I didn't bite then. I'm glad I didn't.

But to each his own. No one is sitting around watching you. If you can find a dealer to transfer it, you're GTG. Until you aren't.

It's like the time I was in Jamaica. I hired this taxi for the day. We're screaming down this road and there is a red light in front of us. ZOOM! We fly through the light.

"Are you nuts??"

"Don't worry,mon. My brudda beena taxi drivah for twenty'yeaz. He run every'red'light,mon. Never git into an'assident."

I sat back a bit shaken. A minute later, we are headed to another light. This one is GREEN.

SLAM! The driver STANDS on the brakes. SCRREEEEEEEEEEEECHHHH!!!!!!!

"WTF, yo. Why are you stopping at a red light?"

"Yo,mon. My brudda might be coming d'other'way,mon."

 

[HorizontalHunter]

Thats why I don’t play in the gray area and I make every effort to stay with it the laws.

A red flag order, a medical emergency, or any other surprise can bring the man into your life and you don’t want to be the last one standing when the music stops.

Bob

 

[daekken]

If I had to go down for an AWB charge, I know I'd be embarrassed to have it be for a Turkish shotgun.

 

[CATI]

I wonder why the antis included “below the action”. Seems like a oversight if you are in the gun banning business

 

[Boris]

I see only one evil feature, the DBM. The pistol grip protrudes conspicuously beneath the barrel of the weapon.
Even still... the few places by me don't want to play in the grey and refuse to transfer.




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1. A semiautomatic shotgun that has two of the following:
   • A folding or telescoping stock.
   • A pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon.
   • A fixed magazine capacity in excess of 5 rounds
   • The ability to accept a detachable magazine.
2. Any shotgun with a revolving cylinder.

pistol grip on bullpups is not beneath the action, that could be open to interpretation because it traditionally meant right under, not just below the barrel axis.

Thats why I don’t play in the gray area and I make every effort to stay with it the laws.

A red flag order, a medical emergency, or any other surprise can bring the man into your life and you don’t want to be the last one standing when the music stops.

Bob

If man wants to f*** you, they will have no trouble finding child porn on your computer or give you computer if you don't have one. The train on rule of law sailed long time ago.

 

[CrackPot]

pistol grip on bullpups is not beneath the action, that could be open to interpretation because it traditionally meant right under, not just below the barrel axis.



If man wants to f*** you, they will have no trouble finding child porn on your computer or give you computer if you don't have one. The train on rule of law sailed long time ago.

Of course its below the action. The action is spread out from the trigger to nearly the back of the gun where the spring and striker/hammer resides. Action being defined as that which loads, locks, fires, extracts and ejects. So with the trigger in front and the breach in back the pistol grip is below the "action". In this case below the bars that connect the trigger mechanism to the striker/hammer in the back.

I see only one evil feature, the DBM. The pistol grip protrudes conspicuously beneath the barrel of the weapon.
Even still... the few places by me don't want to play in the grey and refuse to transfer.




View attachment 564107

1. A semiautomatic shotgun that has two of the following:
   • A folding or telescoping stock.
   • A pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon.
   • A fixed magazine capacity in excess of 5 rounds
   • The ability to accept a detachable magazine.
2. Any shotgun with a revolving cylinder.

Classic result based logic. I want it to be lawful, so here is my logic why it is legal. This is a classic two feature shotgun, detachable mag and pistol grip. You of course are free to take whatever insane irrational risks you want; it's your jail time to serve.

As was pointed out the greatest risk is going to be something out of your control: red flag, restraining order, house fire, car accident, etc. I used to say a 209A restraining by your domestic partner was the #1 risk but these days it is the red flag by anyone who does not like you...

I would not touch this with a 100ft pole.

 

[slugworth]

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[MetalSLugX]

If I had to go down for an AWB charge, I know I'd be embarrassed to have it be for a Turkish shotgun.

I would have to agree. I recently shot my buddy's Hatsan BTS12 while I was in Fort Mills, SC. The thing was rough. He is more of your average plinker guy with little working knowledge of guns.
He knows how to load shells and make melons go splat. When we opened the gun up it still had thick machine oil and metal shavings in the damn thing.

Even if these things where fully legit in MA I doubt I would drop six bills for something kicked around on a shop floor.

 

[Hoover]

pistol grip on bullpups is not beneath the action, that could be open to interpretation because it traditionally meant right under, not just below the barrel axis.



If man wants to f*** you, they will have no trouble finding child porn on your computer or give you computer if you don't have one. The train on rule of law sailed long time ago.

In court, it’s very true no matter. What you’ve done, the prosecution will say that’s wrong and use it. In the Rittenhouse trial the prosecution used the type of ammo (FMJ) he hard to suggest an evil intent. In the potter trial the prosecution brought up the type of ammo, her police issued hollow point ammo, and how it expanded in the body to inflict maximum damage, as a negative factor. Potter literally had no choice in the ammo her department told them to use but the prosecution still used it against her.

Andrew Branca has talked about this and suggested any carry gun people carry be stock, no mods. If you lighten the trigger, etc that will absolutely be used over and over against you.

 

[Parker Schreiber]

I was looking last year at one on these and found the following language at:

Frequently Asked Questions about the Assault Weapons Ban Enforcement Notice

www.mass.gov

“For example, the following are not copies or duplicates under G.L. c. 140, § 121: …
Any semiautomatic shotgun that cannot hold more than five rounds of ammunition in a fixed or detachable magazine.“

Nevertheless, the three dealers I’ve contacted stated that they would not sell or transfer to non-LE customers.

 

[CrackPot]

I was looking last year at one on these and found the following language at:

Frequently Asked Questions about the Assault Weapons Ban Enforcement Notice

www.mass.gov

“For example, the following are not copies or duplicates under G.L. c. 140, § 121: …
Any semiautomatic shotgun that cannot hold more than five rounds of ammunition in a fixed or detachable magazine.“

Nevertheless, the three dealers I’ve contacted stated that they would not sell or transfer to non-LE customers.

First you are quoting political dribble from a rabid anti gunner. But let’s for a second pretend it is accurate and matters…

She does not say semi auto that does not hold more than five rounds is not an assault weapon. She says it is not a copy or a duplicate [of an enumerated weapon]. It is still subject to the feature test. The shotgun we are discussing is an AW because of features, not because it is a copy or duplicate.

This is a very common mistake people are making in comprehending what she said. A lot of dealers stopped making 22LR rifles compliant since they are also not copies or duplicates. But they can still be assault weapons based on features…

Apparently reading comprehension is a large issue amongst gun owners and sellers.

 

[Dennis in MA]

I was looking last year at one on these and found the following language at:

Frequently Asked Questions about the Assault Weapons Ban Enforcement Notice

www.mass.gov

“For example, the following are not copies or duplicates under G.L. c. 140, § 121: …
Any semiautomatic shotgun that cannot hold more than five rounds of ammunition in a fixed or detachable magazine.“

Nevertheless, the three dealers I’ve contacted stated that they would not sell or transfer to non-LE customers.

Offered by. . . F MAURA!

She's a colossal tool. Which probably makes her GF happy.

And her comment is bunk anyhow. She blurs the whole statute. It's fixed mag over 5 OR a detachable magazine of ANY. And even if you bought a 5-rd shotgun, the fact that it could TAKE 10rd mags violates exactly what that clueless plays-an-attorney-on-TV turd just said! (See: why Glocks are considered hi-cap even if you buy them with 10rd mags.)

EDIT - hell, the whole "5 rds" thing is bunk as well. What if you use those shorty-shells. You could fit 8 or 9 in a standard 5-shot pump or semi-auto. How does that work. The whole AWB as it was written for shotguns is a disaster to begin with. It would barely be clear if it were 3 times as long to account for all the gray areas and exceptions. Poor Joe Biden was involved in writing it and 28 years later, the guy has dementia!