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I often see you guys talking about missing the opportunity to buy X rifle when it was in stock at your local shop. I see this too many times.
Have ANY of you guys ever think about just buying it on gunbroker and ship it to your local dealer and pay the transfer?
You can usually get it a couple hundred dollars cheaper if you went this way.


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Hi, as i just got myself x95 - now i think of going full tavor.
anybody who has this TS12 for a long enough time now - how does it work for you? Do you still like it, does it perform OK, or, if there were any issues - what were they?
I see them now on a gunbroker at $1500-$1699 level, which is quite a bit for a shotgun, hmm.
Any comments?

thx, Paul.
 

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Hi, as i just got myself x95 - now i think of going full tavor.
anybody who has this TS12 for a long enough time now - how does it work for you? Do you still like it, does it perform OK, or, if there were any issues - what were they?
I see them now on a gunbroker at $1500-$1699 level, which is quite a bit for a shotgun, hmm.
Any comments?

thx, Paul.
If you are in MA, make sure you have an FFL lined up who will touch it. It requires some seriously magical thinking to decide that it is not both a high capacity weapon and an assault weapon. If you are not in MA, then carry on and good luck!
 

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If you are in MA, make sure you have an FFL lined up who will touch it. It requires some seriously magical thinking to decide that it is not both a high capacity weapon and an assault weapon. If you are not in MA, then carry on and good luck!
i will check with FFL i use - i think TS12 is still allowed in MA, as it was before, but, i just wonder to find out what long term owners think of it first.
not all reviews of it are 100% positive.
like, this:
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Reliability was hit or miss. While the right buckshot load minimized failures, it never ran 100%.
With a 5% failure rate with buckshot, I’m torn between a 2.5 and a 3, but if a ZIP gun from USFA is a 1, then this is at least a 3.

i have a quite old used mossberg already, just thinking of, well, modernizing the content. if it makes any sense, which is probably - not much. :)
but if i sell 2 of 4 glocks i have now - it will even it up, $ wise.
 

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If you are in MA, make sure you have an FFL lined up who will touch it. It requires some seriously magical thinking to decide that it is not both a high capacity weapon and an assault weapon. If you are not in MA, then carry on and good luck!

If you have to manually index the magazine to load the next 5 rounds is it really large capacity? Of course it doesn't help matters that this is the only gun of its type.

Is it 3 x 5 round magazines mounted together or one 15 round magazine?
 

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If you have to manually index the magazine to load the next 5 rounds is it really large capacity? Of course it doesn't help matters that this is the only gun of its type.

Is it 3 x 5 round magazines mounted together or one 15 round magazine?

___ was comfortable with it. ___ not. ___ deferred to GOAL’s interpretation, whom I never asked.
 
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I thought about it for 5 seconds but the videos make it look awkward to use and the reviews are mixed. For a lot less money I'd rather have a magazine fed shotgun that can take a drum. This looks cool but I haven't really been serious about researching what people think. Explore Kalashnikov KS-12T Tactical Shotgun | Kalashnikov USA They come with 10 round mags and even 5 rounders for super commie states.
 

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@CrackPot is probably right but I am curious to hear his explanation. This is a tricky one, for sure, because it doesn't take typical magazines and even the literature says it "has 3 magazines" I am guessing that IWI did that retardation explicitly to avoid the sporting purposes clause stuff on import. (but thats an ATF thing, not an MA thing).
 
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I thought about it for 5 seconds but the videos make it look awkward to use and the reviews are mixed. For a lot less money I'd rather have a magazine fed shotgun that can take a drum. This looks cool but I haven't really been serious about researching what people think. Explore Kalashnikov KS-12T Tactical Shotgun | Kalashnikov USA They come with 10 round mags and even 5 rounders for super commie states.
i am not really that much concerned about getting a new shotgun, if it is not going to match the rifle, to be honest.
but, speaking of the alternatives - a co-worker of mine really like this one:

says it performs just fine. but i suspect this one looks like an assault one for MA purposes. i may ask my FFL about it too, will see.
 

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I thought about it for 5 seconds but the videos make it look awkward to use and the reviews are mixed. For a lot less money I'd rather have a magazine fed shotgun that can take a drum. This looks cool but I haven't really been serious about researching what people think. Explore Kalashnikov KS-12T Tactical Shotgun | Kalashnikov USA They come with 10 round mags and even 5 rounders for super commie states.
so, that is a saiga-12, only real one is fully automatic. i have friends who have it, and from what i recall it had a tendency to rip shells apart and get stuck on them. it was long time ago, and i think i recall complaints of how people were getting issues using paper 12ga shells, etc.
 

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@CrackPot is probably right but I am curious to hear his explanation. This is a tricky one, for sure, because it doesn't take typical magazines and even the literature says it "has 3 magazines" I am guessing that IWI did that retardation explicitly to avoid the sporting purposes clause stuff on import. (but thats an ATF thing, not an MA thing).
There are two avenues here to consider, both of which would be violations of MGL 140 131M
  1. Does it have a Large Capacity Feeding Device (15 rds or 3x5 rds)
  2. Is it an Assault Weapon
Most people seem to focus on question #1. I don't think this is a zero risk proposition to say it is 3x5. Yes, you have to take a manual step to index to a new 5. Yes it is like a device that attaches two AR mags together BUT I CAN STILL TAKE THOSE MAGS APART. The device that holds the rounds is a single formed piece of plastic that holds 15 rounds. Let us just focus on that. One piece of plastic, 15 rounds. The rest does not matter. You can't escape this. One piece of plastic. 15 rounds. Had they made the magazine as 3 separate 5 round tubes with something holding them together, I MIGHT seen a argument for it being 3 5 round mags. Maybe

Question #2. AWB for shotgun says semi auto with at least 2 of
  • folding or telescoping stock
  • pistol grip that protrudes conspicuosly beneath the action of the weapon
  • a fixed magazine capacity in excess of 5 rounds
  • an ability to accept a detachable magazine
This has fixed capacity in excess of 5 rounds, dewitt 15 rounds. It has a pistol grip. Again, you can make magical thinking arguments that it is not a pistol grip because it has something attached to it or that its a bullpup so the pistol is not below the action (then how does the trigger work?). You can try the "its 3 5 round mags" argument again. I think this is all fail. It is an assault weapon.

Anyone who knows me knows I will try and find ANY legal work around to sell/transfer want people what that is lawful for me and them. The Tavor 12 is a pair of felony charges waiting to happen (double violation of 140 131M).
 
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I got to shoot one this past weekend a friend has. It’s cool but not my cup of tea. Here is my review of the 10 minutes I played with it.

-It is very stock heavy when unloaded but balances out once you load the 15+1.
-Not only with this but on some other guns as well, I’m not a big fan of the magazine tube release INSIDE the trigger guard.
-It does shoot and pattern well. We set up 5 targets from 5-10 yards and all had good hits with 00 Buck.
-He had a Primary Arms red dot with the circle and it seemed to pair very well with the gun.
-There is a break on period like most semi-auto shotguns. It worked perfect with high brass military 00buckshot but had several issues with low brass 00buckshot. The low brass was a “high velocity” type and cycled about 20% using it. He is still in the break in period since he can’t find ammo.
 
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