• If you enjoy the forum please consider supporting it by signing up for a NES Membership  The benefits pay for the membership many times over.

Supreme Court - NYSRPA v. Bruen - Megathread


An interesting paper on post-Bruen “innocent transitory possession” - like a felon in possession of a bag/box that had a gun in it, unbeknownst to them. Lack of criminal intent is pretty much written out of many gun laws, or at least not excepted.

It’s one thing to CCW in NYC with a permit other than for NYC, not knowing of the specific NYC requirement, and another thing to be unaware that the rental car you picked up at LaGuardia had a gun stashed in the trunk by a prior renter.

There are so many laws other than gun laws that hold one responsible for prohibited stuff out of one’s control that failure to except such instances for gun laws is more a feature than a bug.
 
Judge Benitez, again, for the win. He enjoins the California ban on billy clubs (Fouts v. Bonta). From the opinion:

https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.casd.644922/gov.uscourts.casd.644922.86.0.pdf

Though California Penal Code § 22210 criminalizes the possession of a less lethal billy for self-defense, federal courts protect the Constitution, and the Constitution protects this citizen choice. The Second Amendment, “is the very product of an interest balancing by the people and it surely elevates above all other interests the right of law abiding, responsible citizens to use arms for self-defense.” The American tradition is rich and deep in protecting a citizen’s enduring right to keep and bear common arms, whether they be rifles, shotguns, pistols, knives, or less lethal arms like stun guns and billies. It is “this balance—struck by the traditions of the American people—that demands our unqualified deference.”
....
III. CONCLUSION
The Second Amendment protects a citizen’s right to defend one’s self with dangerous and lethal firearms. But not everybody wants to carry a firearm for self defense. Some prefer less-lethal weapons. A billy is a less-lethal weapon that may be used for self-defense. It is a simple weapon that most anybody between the ages of eight and eighty can fashion from a wooden stick, or a clothes pole, or a dowel rod. One can easily imagine countless citizens carrying these weapons on daily walks and hikes to defend themselves against attacks by humans or animals. To give full life to the core right of self-defense, every law-abiding responsible individual citizen has a constitutionally protected right to keep and bear arms like the billy for lawful purposes. In early America and today, the Second Amendment right of self-preservation permits a citizen to “‘repel force by force’ when ‘the intervention of society in his behalf, may be too late to prevent that injury.’”66 The Founders of our country anticipated that as our nation matured circumstances might make the previous recognition of rights undesirable or inadequate. For that event, the Founders provided a built-in vehicle by which the Constitution could be amended, but a single state, no matter how well intended, may not do so, and neither can this court.

Plaintiffs in this case challenge California Penal Code § 22210 as it applies to a billy. It is declared that the prohibition on a billy unconstitutionally infringes the Second Amendment rights of American citizens and it is hereby enjoined.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jsiOt_q54tY
 
This one deals with Viramontes v. Cook County.

Federal Judge Tosses Challenge to Cook County 'Assault Weapons' Ban

In several recent cases, gun-rights advocates have challenged Illinois state and local regulations on certain semiautomatic rifles defined by law as “assault weapons.” This is one of those cases. Plaintiffs Cutberto Viramontes, Christopher Khaya, the Second Amendment Foundation, and Firearms Policy Coalition, Inc.1 challenge the constitutionality of Cook County’s assault-weapons ban, naming as Defendants Cook County and county officials Toni Preckwinkle, Kimberly M. Foxx, and Thomas Dart. Before the court are the parties’ competing motions for summary judgment [80, 100], as well as Defendants’ motion to strike Plaintiffs’ responses to Defendants’ Rule 56.1 statements [104]. During the pendency of this case, and while the parties engaged in discovery on the merits, the Seventh Circuit decided Bevis v. City of Naperville, 85 F.4th 1175 (7th Cir. 2023), rejecting a preliminary injunction against enforcement of the State of Illinois’s assault-weapons ban.

Although this case presents a different procedural posture, the Seventh Circuit’s Bevis opinion has greatly simplified the question presented for this court. For the reasons discussed below, the court grants Defendants’ summary judgment motion, denies Plaintiffs’, and denies Defendants’ motion to strike as moot.

The opinion: https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.ilnd.406666/gov.uscourts.ilnd.406666.129.0.pdf


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=opgO-BgopwQ
 
View attachment 856535

You know, there is only so many times this guy can say "MAJOR" or "BREAKING NEWS" or whatever before it turns to "WOLF! WOLF! WOLF!".

All these articles saying "THIS IS IT!" and never any action comes out of it.

Please save us the hysteria.
We get it, you don't like this channel. You don't need to post every time someone references the four boxes diner.

In the grand scheme of guntubers, Mark Smith is actually one of the least click baity (compare him to the armed scholar for instance). Given the absolutely glacial pace of courts, winning or losing in federal district courts or appeal circuits is newsworthy and deserves attention for those who want to follow it. This channel is also one of the few that dissect meaning and breaks it down so that a less informed layman can understand it. Not saying it's perfect and that every video is significant, but it's far and away better than the vast majority of YouTubers who cover 2A legal developments.
 
View attachment 856535

You know, there is only so many times this guy can say "MAJOR" or "BREAKING NEWS" or whatever before it turns to "WOLF! WOLF! WOLF!".

All these articles saying "THIS IS IT!" and never any action comes out of it.

Please save us the hysteria.
Name a guntuber you actually enjoy
 
Name a guntuber you actually enjoy
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCLrm1e8ffKnV8gnACtGjy6A

This used to be the only one I thought worth listening to. None of the click bait BS, with all the fake MAJOR WIN bull. Just real meaningful info when it comes out. The problem seems to be that there isn't much to go on about without the BS. So lately his content has become less interesting. To be clear, that's because nothing meaningful is happening.

But what would you expect, he was the lead behind most of the real action.

The rest are just trying to build clicks. out of BS.
 
We get it, you don't like this channel. You don't need to post every time someone references the four boxes diner.

In the grand scheme of guntubers, Mark Smith is actually one of the least click baity (compare him to the armed scholar for instance). Given the absolutely glacial pace of courts, winning or losing in federal district courts or appeal circuits is newsworthy and deserves attention for those who want to follow it. This channel is also one of the few that dissect meaning and breaks it down so that a less informed layman can understand it. Not saying it's perfect and that every video is significant, but it's far and away better than the vast majority of YouTubers who cover 2A legal developments.
Well said. Mark Smith does a fantastic job of making you the smartest person in the room when it comes to 2A. A lot of the negatives surrounding his channel are mostly due to the nature of YouTube in general and what has to be done to gain success on the platform. Content-wise though, he’s top notch. Honestly, there are some pro-2A lawyers who should be taking notes from his videos.
 
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCLrm1e8ffKnV8gnACtGjy6A

This used to be the only one I thought worth listening to. None of the click bait BS, with all the fake MAJOR WIN bull. Just real meaningful info when it comes out. The problem seems to be that there isn't much to go on about without the BS. So lately his content has become less interesting. To be clear, that's because nothing meaningful is happening.

But what would you expect, he was the lead behind most of the real action.

The rest are just trying to build clicks. out of BS.
His “This Week in Guns” podcast is pretty good as well. It can get goofy at times but I find it helpful for keeping up with things
 
View attachment 856535

You know, there is only so many times this guy can say "MAJOR" or "BREAKING NEWS" or whatever before it turns to "WOLF! WOLF! WOLF!".

All these articles saying "THIS IS IT!" and never any action comes out of it.

Please save us the hysteria.
Its simple. Ignore the video and scroll on by. Just because you don't like it, or the person who made the video, doesn't mean others won't find it useful in spite of the clickbait headline most YouTubers are resorting to because of Youtube's algorithms. He discusses the Viramontes v. Cook County gun case. End of story.
 
You don't need to post every time someone references the four boxes diner.
Actually I do. It is annoying and a distraction from any real news.



In the grand scheme of guntubers
Name a guntuber you actually enjoy
Never heard this term before. Pretty funny.

Well said. Mark Smith does a fantastic job of making you the smartest person in the room when it comes to 2A
No. Not at all. It is just annoying as hell. To say otherwise, you are just kidding yourself.
 
Actually I do. It is annoying and a distraction from any real news.





Never heard this term before. Pretty funny.


No. Not at all. It is just annoying as hell. To say otherwise, you are just kidding yourself.
You still haven’t named a guntuber you think isn’t annoying as hell. Seems like you may be the problem and not these guntubers.
 
They are all annoying. Don't know how you might have missed that. I don't think I'm alone on that. Not only are they annoying, they really misrepresent the truth.
 
Yeah, OK. [rofl]

Cause if you don't like annoying youtube boobs, that means something. [laugh2][laugh2][laugh2][laugh2]

Who the f*** cares? Am I supposed to worry that YOU aren't happy with my dislike of those? SPARE ME.
No one is saying you have to like Guntubers, but you don’t have to bash them every single time they’re brought up. Just ignore them. They will continue to be brought up because there is obviously a good amount of people here who enjoy their content and it is usually relevant to the topics being discussed. You making your disdain of them known isn’t going to stop any of this from happening, especially when you don’t even contribute anything to the discussion besides saying “guntubers suck lol.”
 
1. Ted Knight is happy about the Benitez ruling.
caddyshack_11_797834.gif


2. Assault weapons are NOT in common use. . . as they are full-auto in nature.
 
1. Ted Knight is happy about the Benitez ruling.
caddyshack_11_797834.gif


2. Assault weapons are NOT in common use. . . as they are full-auto in nature.

Bullshit. "Assault weapon" is a made up legal term that has no consistent definition.

Assault RIFLES are select-fire, and are not in common use. (Anymore. in 1933 they were something you could buy at a hardware store. Or at least machineguns as a general category)
 
Not surprising. The United States Court of Appeals for the First Circuit upholds Rhode Island's magazine ban.

https://storage.courtlistener.com/r....49969/gov.uscourts.ca1.49969.108117623.0.pdf

Once again, the court is stating folklore as fact. Quoting from the decision: 'Bowie knife, a distinctive weapon with a "longer blade[] designed expressly for fighting, rather than hunting or utility.'" In reality, a Bowie knife was originally not much more than a butcher's knife with an added guard. In size and shape. The 19th century knives were probably closer in weight to the carving knife shown below rather than the modern smith-made Bowie.

IMG_1411.jpg
 
SCOTUS was sitting front row last night watching Pedo Joe take a dump right in their laps over the Roe V. Wade decision and then say "assault weapon" and mag bans don't violate anyone's 2A rights. On national TV. Woulda pissed me off some (it did). Enough to say "Hold my beer Joe, listen to this.....".
 
Back
Top Bottom