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SPRINGFIELD ARMORY.
Even though this pistol has extra safeties, a loaded round indicator, many other safety features that would make this MA compliant....the factory has told us that they have no intention of certifying any of their guns for sale in MA.
The arrogant tone of the Springfield Armory representative that I spoke with on the phone may as well said to me... "We can't be bothered with your state". Maybe I'm being a little over-sensitive but that's what if felt like.
With the way MA has treated some companies (e.g. glock) in the certification process I am not surprised that Springfield Armory wants to avoid the hassle of getting their handguns certified for compliance with a bunch of bullshit feelgood regulations.
I believe this is exactly what the state has in mind, if they can make enough stupid laws that put a financial burden on the gun manufacturers then, voila, no more guns (at least they think).Exactly. Why should a company spend a ton of money and jump through a bunch of hoops to get on the EOPS list only to have the whole thing shoved up their butt by some anti-civil rights, pencil necked geek in the AG's office.
I do like Springfield products but this makes me mad! Especially, in these financial times what company wouldn't benefit from an entire states business!! Foolish!!
If I remember right it was partially Glock's fault. Something with the loaded round indicator didn't meet the Mass requirement and Glock said it did.
All that and also the XDM has a ridiculous but awesome mag capacity of like 20+1 rds of 9mm!
Could you tell a round was loaded in the chamber? Yes. So it wasn't glocks fault at all.
******God how I hate this state. I can't get out of here soon enough. Don't know how I'm going to get through the next 5 years here, but after that, BYE!
Question: aren't guns always loaded? What the hell do we need a "loaded chamber indicator" for?
Aaron[MA];730051 said:I see. Does anyone know exactly what is involved in getting a gun certified?
IIRC its destruction of 3 samples (destructive testing) and likely thousands
of dollars in fees for the tests.
Worse yet, Even if you get the gun on the roster that doesn't make it "MA saleable", because it has to pass the shitty AG's regs test.
-Mike
I'd put money on the AG regs being the main impediment here. CA has a similar roster to the EOPS list and the testing involved is similar (and clearly spelled out). Companies don't bother with any step in the MA process because they know they'll eventually encounter the AG BS so they don't even start.
Question: aren't guns always loaded? What the hell do we need a "loaded chamber indicator" for?
If I remember right it was partially Glock's fault. Something with the loaded round indicator didn't meet the Mass requirement and Glock said it did.
I'd love to get an XD series Springfield. I have been told by a local gun store that LEO's can buy Springfield guns in MA legally. That could be a myth. If so it doesn't seem right at all, seems like discrimation actually. I read somewhere that Springfield won't make their guns MA compliant because the guidelines aren't clear.
I'd buy one tomorrow if they were legal in MA. What do you expect from a corrupt democrat state.
Your local gun store needs to read up on the EOPS list.
I'd love to get an XD series Springfield. I have been told by a local gun store that LEO's can buy Springfield guns in MA legally. That could be a myth. If so it doesn't seem right at all, seems like discrimation actually. I read somewhere that Springfield won't make their guns MA compliant because the guidelines aren't clear.
I'd buy one tomorrow if they were legal in MA. What do you expect from a corrupt democrat state.
Getting your guns on the EOPS list is an expensive process, and even after passing, the AG can simply say no and thats the end of if. Glock got screwed just like that.
Aaron[MA];730051 said:I see. Does anyone know exactly what is involved in getting a gun certified?
Seems like the cert process ought not entail more than the donation of one gun chambered in each caliber. Does it meet the safety requirements? - yes. done. certified.
IIRC its destruction of 3 samples (destructive testing) and likely thousands of dollars in fees for the tests.
Worse yet, Even if you get the gun on the roster that doesn't make it "MA saleable", because it has to pass the shitty AG's regs test.
-Mike
I'd put money on the AG regs being the main impediment here. CA has a similar roster to the EOPS list and the testing involved is similar (and clearly spelled out). Companies don't bother with any step in the MA process because they know they'll eventually encounter the AG BS so they don't even start.
I'd love to get an XD series Springfield. I have been told by a local gun store that LEO's can buy Springfield guns in MA legally. That could be a myth. If so it doesn't seem right at all, seems like discrimation actually. I read somewhere that Springfield won't make their guns MA compliant because the guidelines aren't clear.
I would also have to assume that the cost of testing would easily be recouped by the flood of sales on XD's alone not too mention the rest of their M1A and 1911 product line.
As nice is the XDm is, even if it were available here I wouldn't buy one because I'd have to put 10rnd magazines in it.
do they sell them in CT