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"Umarex Uzi Rifle" and "UZI Mini Carbine, UZI Model A Carbine, and UZI Model B Carbine" are an enumerated weapon on the original '94 Federal AWB and the '98 MA AWB. As such, this build would be a no-go even with the offending parts removed or modified (per the AGs unlawful enforcement notice).
There are plenty of prebans available, but they're pricey.
Copies or duplicates thereof. It's an enumerated weapon. He asked where an Uzi build stands with our AG.
Did we ever find out if you're a troll, retarded, or both?
I've talked to a gunsmith about this, have you?
I've talked to a gunsmith about this, have you?
^ drops mic
What does that even mean? I swear you're a ****ing troll or a moron.
I slept at a Holiday Inn Express last night! Did your "a" gunsmith?
I don't agree with the AGs "guidance" (in content, or authority) but the OP asked where the AG stood on an uzi build. Michael James (as usual) is dead wrong.
Where the AG stands is very clear by reading the guidance:
- Similarity Test: A weapon is a Copy or Duplicate if its internal functional components are substantially similar in construction and configuration to those of an Enumerated Weapon. Under this test, a weapon is a Copy or Duplicate, for example, if the operating system and firing mechanism of the weapon are based on or otherwise substantially similar to one of the Enumerated Weapons.
- Interchangeability Test: A weapon is a Copy or Duplicate if it has a receiver that is the same as or interchangeable with the receiver of an Enumerated Weapon. A receiver will be treated as the same as or interchangeable with the receiver on an Enumerated Weapon if it includes or accepts two or more operating components that are the same as or interchangeable with those of an Enumerated Weapon. Such operating components may include, but are not limited to: 1) the trigger assembly; 2) the bolt carrier or bolt carrier group; 3) the charging handle; 4) the extractor or extractor assembly; or 5) the magazine port.
So based on "Similarity Test" of the AGs guidance, a scratch-built Uzi would be a "Copy or Duplicate" because both open-bolt (now NFA and should not be built from scratch) and closed bolt Uzis are "Enumerated Weapons" in the actual AWB, and your functional components would not just be substantially similar but identical to those of the enumerated weapon(s). Based on the "Interchangeability Test" (which states five types of 'parts' but suggests there may be more) you'd be in violation; two or more of the parts would be compatible. You could re-invent the wheel and get around the "Interchangeability Test" and scratchbuild all of these parts to slightly different specs so that they're not compatible, but then you'd be back to the "Similarity Test" which would make the weapon noncompliant.
Again - I'm not saying that these tests make sense, nor that the AG has the authority to proffer them (let alone charge anyone). Just answering the OP's question, which was asked in the context of whether his build would be OK with regards to the AGs guidance.
That you've built your own receiver and "called it something else" (as resident retard Michael James suggests) doesn't change anything; if the rifle is semi auto and has a detachable magazine, you need to comply with MGL. According to the AG, which is what the OP asked, his Uzi build would be considered a copy/duplicate weapon under her BS "guidance" which is a reinterpretation of the MGL. If a gunsmith tells you otherwise, assume they're blowing smoke. Look at all the gunsmiths/shops outed on NES for saying "sure you can buy a compliant semi/detachable rifle and add a folding stock with a pistol grip" or "you can't own Glocks in MA".
The tested/approved solution would be to both scratch-build a receiver AND make it a fixed-magazine model. There are shops in MA doing that right now with more popular rifle platforms; no detachable magazine, no obligation to comply with the AWB or any tortured re-interpretations of it. That'd also allow you to use a folding stock or any of the other evil features, even apply for an SBR stamp without awkward ATF questions. You'd just have to 1) manufacture your own receiver, as the AGs guidance suggests that a receiver has some weird sense of object-permanence and it's no longer OK to simply remove/disable non-compliant factory features, and 2) figure out a means of loading the weapon with a fixed magazine.
My information came from a bonded-and-licensed MA State gunsmith who has been in-business over 30 years, and has assisted recent builds of a wide-variety of firearms pre- and post-Healey ban. Since he has a valid Class 7 FFL, and I'll wager that YOU DO NOT, I call B.S. on your 'interpretations' and your 'expertise' on the subject.
My conversations hinged on the variety of 'mods' required to take an UZI kit from it's existing form to a BATFE-legal semi-auto. UZI kits are de-militarized open-bolt sub-guns, all pre-ban, from Israel. It is true that you need to mod the bolt, ejector, trigger, group, and receiver. DUH - we're making a closed-bolt semi from an open-bolt, Fixed-Firing-Pin auto. First step is to take the sub-gun bolt and have it professionally milled by a gunsmith to accept a sliding AR-15 firing pin.....FFP is now 'gone', and can't be used in a full-auto gun anymore. Three-position trigger group also needs to be modded so you can't slide to 'full-auto' selection. The receiver requires some semi-auto pieces to be welded-in for the new bolt configuration, and that means the charging handle gets a mod because the bolt gets closed when a round is chambered during closed-bolt firing, etc. etc. etc.
In the end, the only thing you don't touch is the barrel/nut and the magazine - all pre-ban anyway.
Barrel Nuts? $17 I was told barrels were hard to come-by, but this parts depot has them in-stock in both .45 and 9mm:
http://shop-usbarrelshrouds-com.3dcartstores.com/Uzi-Parts_c_16.html
Actually, you should read my thread about building a demilled Uzi kit with a new receiver and semi-bolt. For an UZI the upper is the serialized component.My information came from a bonded-and-licensed MA State gunsmith who has been in-business over 30 years, and has assisted recent builds of a wide-variety of firearms pre- and post-Healey ban. Since he has a valid Class 7 FFL, and I'll wager that YOU DO NOT, I call B.S. on your 'interpretations' and your 'expertise' on the subject.
My conversations hinged on the variety of 'mods' required to take an UZI kit from it's existing form to a BATFE-legal semi-auto. UZI kits are de-militarized open-bolt sub-guns, all pre-ban, from Israel. It is true that you need to mod the bolt, ejector, trigger, group, and receiver. DUH - we're making a closed-bolt semi from an open-bolt, Fixed-Firing-Pin auto. First step is to take the sub-gun bolt and have it professionally milled by a gunsmith to accept a sliding AR-15 firing pin.....FFP is now 'gone', and can't be used in a full-auto gun anymore. Three-position trigger group also needs to be modded so you can't slide to 'full-auto' selection. The receiver requires some semi-auto pieces to be welded-in for the new bolt configuration, and that means the charging handle gets a mod because the bolt gets closed when a round is chambered during closed-bolt firing, etc. etc. etc.
In the end, the only thing you don't touch is the barrel/nut and the magazine - all pre-ban anyway.
By the way, what's the street price on a preban barrel nut?
Actually, you should read my thread about building a demilled Uzi kit with a new receiver and semi-bolt. For an UZI the upper is the serialized component.
You can't use the full auto barrel as it can be used with a full auto bolt which is a big no no for a semi UZI. And if you get a barrel with a demilled kit it will be a short full auto barrel, not a 16" semi auto barrel (which is designed to not work with a full auto bolt) You also need to permanently modify the upper so the selector switch can't be put into the giggle position. It would also have to comply with import requirements and US made parts count.
In MA you are kind of screwed with new UZI builds due to our law making AG who thinks she is a legislature onto herself.
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If you're milling a full-auto bolt to run the dual-spring semi-auto with firing-pin setup, will they work with the FA barrels (provided you were going to apply for the tax stamp)?
Similar to this process:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q29BVTi-L5E
My information came from a bonded-and-licensed MA State gunsmith who has been in-business over 30 years, and has assisted recent builds of a wide-variety of firearms pre- and post-Healey ban. Since he has a valid Class 7 FFL, and I'll wager that YOU DO NOT, I call B.S. on your 'interpretations' and your 'expertise' on the subject.
My conversations hinged on the variety of 'mods' required to take an UZI kit from it's existing form to a BATFE-legal semi-auto. UZI kits are de-militarized open-bolt sub-guns, all pre-ban, from Israel. It is true that you need to mod the bolt, ejector, trigger, group, and receiver. DUH - we're making a closed-bolt semi from an open-bolt, Fixed-Firing-Pin auto. First step is to take the sub-gun bolt and have it professionally milled by a gunsmith to accept a sliding AR-15 firing pin.....FFP is now 'gone', and can't be used in a full-auto gun anymore. Three-position trigger group also needs to be modded so you can't slide to 'full-auto' selection. The receiver requires some semi-auto pieces to be welded-in for the new bolt configuration, and that means the charging handle gets a mod because the bolt gets closed when a round is chambered during closed-bolt firing, etc. etc. etc.
In the end, the only thing you don't touch is the barrel/nut and the magazine - all pre-ban anyway.
The parts kits being preban means nothing, the age of the receiver is what matters, and a machine gun receiver is forever tainted in the eyes of the ATF. I saw an ad from some idiot advertising a preban c308... Yeah, right
The kit I have has 'pieces' of de-MILed OEM receiver (front/rear sights mostly) but the SA build requires a new receiver where your 'kit pieces' are welded-on to an 80% stamped unit. SA Receivers will also have a few other items welded-in so that a Subbie-bolt will NOT work within the receiver, and are no-longer interchangeable with anything FA.