SBR question

[bdb]

I think I have this right but wanted to check.

If someone had an AR pistol or “other” with a shoter than 16” barrel and a brace they needed to deal with the feds ruling.

A person could apply for an SBR stamp prior to May 31/23. Once the tax stamp is approved no engraving needs to he done as I read it on the ATF site that the makers engravings on it at the time of the application carry forward. Did I inderstand that correctly? Just curious. I know any response doesn’t constitute legal advice.

I read it on this page:

https://www.atf.gov/firearms/docs/undefined/final-rule-2021r-08f-frequently-asked-questions-and-sba-compliance-guide-2/download#:~:text=For%20dealers%20and%20pawnbrokers%20with,)%20before%20May%2031%2C%202023.

 

[Drix]

This is one of those cases that has gotten real quiet.

 

[pupchow]

Once the firearm is registered, am I required to mark the firearm since I manufactured a short-barreled rifle (SBR)? | Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives

If the SBR equipped with a “stabilizing brace” is registered by May 31, 2023, the possessor is allowed to adopt the markings on the firearm. The maker’s marking exception is only applicable to firearms that are registered pursuant to the final rule. If the firearm is a personally made firearm...

www.atf.gov

 

[Palladin]

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A04zwt4Z9cc


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bSUicfMkY4E

 

[flippedr6]

All well and good but you will need to SBR it seeing AR pistols run afoul of the AWB in MA.

 

[bdb]

Got my tax stamp approval today. I guess all I need to do now before the range is have the brake pinned. I put a pinned magpul stock on the lower and set the brace aside.

 

[AMV]

All well and good but you will need to SBR it seeing AR pistols run afoul of the AWB in MA.

Or, you could just sit on it a while, things can change fast in the next year or two

 

[flippedr6]

Or, you could just sit on it a while, things can change fast in the next year or two

True, but I did just move to Charleston, SC two weeks ago so the AWB no longer applies. Although I am keeping residency in MA for reasons but will need to find a dealer who knows dual residency.

 

[Mesatchornug]

All well and good but you will need to SBR it seeing AR pistols run afoul of the AWB in MA.

Depends entirely on configuration

 

[usp45ct]

True, but I did just move to Charleston, SC two weeks ago so the AWB no longer applies. Although I am keeping residency in MA for reasons but will need to find a dealer who knows dual residency.

you BASTARD…I mean good for you. Looking at doing the same in less than a year.

 

[1sern]

Depends entirely on configuration

How many are under 50 oz?

 

[Mesatchornug]

How many are under 50 oz?

Irrelevant if they have fixed magazines.

Yes, that's an annoying hobble. And it makes it exempt. Pick your poison.

 

[1sern]

Yes, that's an annoying hobble

Try Repugnant

 

[Mesatchornug]

Try Repugnant

Sure.
But that's the AWB. Let's not pretend otherwise.

 

[Asaltweapon]

Got my tax stamp approval today. I guess all I need to do now before the range is have the brake pinned. I put a pinned magpul stock on the lower and set the brace aside.

I didn’t do a thing. Thankfully.

If the feds are looking up my stuff I got some major problems elsewhere.

 

[Varmint]

Dumb question but why use a pistol brace on an SBR instead of a stock?

Some people believe an SBR in Mass doesn’t need to adhere to the AWB since it’s not classified a rifle or pistol, no?

 

[Mesatchornug]

Dumb question but why use a pistol brace on an SBR instead of a stock?

Some people believe an SBR in Mass doesn’t need to adhere to the AWB since it’s not classified a rifle or pistol, no?

They're operating based on the ATF guidance that a brace makes it an SBR.
The second part is its own rabbit hole.

 

[OnTheRoad]

True, but I did just move to Charleston, SC two weeks ago so the AWB no longer applies. Although I am keeping residency in MA for reasons but will need to find a dealer who knows dual residency.

In Charleston proper? Ridgeville here.

Anyhow to get back on topic I got 3 "pistols" reclassified as SBRs under the amnesty. Took a while but they all got approved. Ditched the braces and put on proper stocks and VFGs like God intended.

So if anyone's interested, I have some SBA3's for cheap...

 

[flippedr6]

In Charleston proper? Ridgeville here.

Anyhow to get back on topic I got 3 "pistols" reclassified as SBRs under the amnesty. Took a while but they all got approved. Ditched the braces and put on proper stocks and VFGs like God intended.

So if anyone's interested, I have some SBA3's for cheap...

I'm in Mt Pleasant

 

[PappyM3]

Got my tax stamp approval today. I guess all I need to do now before the range is have the brake pinned. I put a pinned magpul stock on the lower and set the brace aside.

Please consider a comp instead of a brake…

Signed,
Your friendly fellow range attendees

 

[whatluck]

Got my tax stamp approval today. I guess all I need to do now before the range is have the brake pinned. I put a pinned magpul stock on the lower and set the brace aside.

f*** Massachusetts. Seriously.

 

[whatluck]

How many are under 50 oz?

Theres only one I know of. Oly arms made a polymer ar pistol with no handguard in the 90s. Iirc there was a material defect, not atypical for oly.

 

[milktree]

Please consider a comp instead of a brake…

Signed,
Your friendly fellow range attendees

Barrel rise vs recoil mitigation?

 

[mav]

They're operating based on the ATF guidance that a brace makes it an SBR.
The second part is its own rabbit hole.

I was told in no uncertain terms by a very well-read dealer at the mill that SBR's in MA do fall under the AWB for reasons that I now forget (possibly due to the original 90's Federal AWB that MA was based on). He made a very compelling argument. I think it's a grey area, like everything in MA regarding guns, YMMV and the risk is an expensive and painful legal battle.

 

[1sern]

Theres only one I know of. Oly arms made a polymer ar pistol with no handguard in the 90s. Iirc there was a material defect, not atypical for oly.

I remember that. They also did a fixed mag version of their earlier pistol which wouldn't sell.

 

[PappyM3]

Barrel rise vs recoil mitigation?

Yup. And much less lateral blast.

 

[PappyM3]

I was told in no uncertain terms by a very well-read dealer at the mill that SBR's in MA do fall under the AWB for reasons that I now forget (possibly due to the original 90's Federal AWB that MA was based on). He made a very compelling argument. I think it's a grey area, like everything in MA regarding guns, YMMV and the risk is an expensive and painful legal battle.

100% a grey area and nobody can say for certain without a court ruling. I’m in the camp of playing it safe on this one. But, to each his own.

 

[Mesatchornug]

100% a grey area and nobody can say for certain without a court ruling. I’m in the camp of playing it safe on this one. But, to each his own.

If I were in the position to offer advice, I'd likely say the same to anyone who didn't want to martyr himself in legal proceedings.

 

[AMV]

Theres only one I know of. Oly arms made a polymer ar pistol with no handguard in the 90s. Iirc there was a material defect, not atypical for oly.

Also the Carbon 15 is one I have seen sold in MA during the assault weapons ban and before the pistol roster became a thing, It had a muzzle break that was a quick connect like an air chuck so I’d didn’t add to the weight

 

[bdb]

I was told in no uncertain terms by a very well-read dealer at the mill that SBR's in MA do fall under the AWB for reasons that I now forget (possibly due to the original 90's Federal AWB that MA was based on). He made a very compelling argument. I think it's a grey area, like everything in MA regarding guns, YMMV and the risk is an expensive and painful legal battle.

Do you mean that if you follow all the normal rules for MA compliance to the AWB, basically a non collapsible stock, no bayo lug and the muzzle device (not a flash hider) pinned and welded that a rifle being an SBR would not be mass compliant like a standard crippled 16" barrelled AR is?

As for the FFL's at the Mill, many of them seem quite knowledgable regarding MA law (which I would expect) but some of them seem perfectly willing to sell you a rifle, after they break it down to a lower and an upper, that would technically violate MA law when go home and put it together and presumably file the state required FA10 (assuming you do).