Ruger 10/22 High Capacity?

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I remember reading about this before, but I searched and skimmed through a tonnnn of stuff and came up with nothing.[crying]

can an FID holder buy a ruger 10/22? I know they come 10rnd mags but CAN ACCEPT HIGH CAP (not sure which ones but I heard they can)
I remember reading about this and it being debated...

thanks,

and please dont yell at me for asking this question thats been asked b4. I did search I swear!
 
..It might not be high cap, but some dealers still might not a 10/22 to an FID holder. I called 4 seasons and asked if I could buy the 10/22 with an FID and i was told no because it can accept high cap....
 
Commonwealth of Massachusetts
Executive Office of Public Safety
LARGE CAPACITY WEAPON ROSTER EFFECTIVE 02-15-2002
Supersedes All Previous Rosters
This roster has been compiled in accordance with M.G.L. c.140, §131¾. It contains weapons determined to have
been originally manufactured for the civilian retail consumer market as large capacity weapons as defined by § 121
of chapter 140.


The ruger 10/22 is not large capicity as manufactured.
 
hollewud7 said:
..It might not be high cap, but some dealers still might not a 10/22 to an FID holder. I called 4 seasons and asked if I could buy the 10/22 with an FID and i was told no because it can accept high cap....
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+1... while a 10/22 clearly is not a "high cap by default" firearm, many stores will not sell the rifle to an FID holder. I would just
keep calling until I found one that would do the transfer.

FID holders that get a 10/22 should also be aware that they cannot legally even possess a preban large-capacity mag for it without at least upgrading to an LTC-B.

-Mike
 
hollewud7 said:
..It might not be high cap, but some dealers still might not a 10/22 to an FID holder. I called 4 seasons and asked if I could buy the 10/22 with an FID and i was told no because it can accept high cap....
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Carl has made a business policy decision to be unusually cautious, especially because the AG has been known to send "secret shoppers" into his place to try to create violations.

Carl knows an FID isn't required to lawfully own a Ruger 10/22 carbine, but, nevertheless, he will only sell these rifles to those who have valid LTCs.

Mass. is a pain in the @ss sometimes.
 
Scrivener said:
Well - maybe you can't.

I have little use for dealers fabricating imaginary, more restrictive rules. The ones we have are bad enough without their cretinous additions to the surplus.
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You might feel differently if you owned a gun shop and had the AG's minions snooping in your store renlentlessly.
 
Gun laws here stink.

Yes I said it, and I will have orrders out of this state just as soon as I can. You live here (I guess by choice) I do not I am under military orders posting me & my spouce here. I am gone just as soon as I can be. When the Corps is done with me I'll live in a free state like KY, TN, or SC. A gun shop that further restricts (adds more or his two cents to the law) will never get my money. Secret shoppers my butt. Some of you have lived like this for so long that now you see shadows everywhere. Only here where you have Senators like John Kerry or Ted Kennedy, I swear. You got the government & LAWS you asked for.
Bad evening with my wife in Quantico VA and this mass shooting in IL. This will be my last post of the night.
Here but not forever.
SMITTY
 
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Cross-X said:
You might feel differently if you owned a gun shop and had the AG's minions snooping in your store renlentlessly.
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+1 on that.

Carl is a decent guy and runs a top-notch business, but given the AGs history and penchant to screw us over, I really can't fault him for being cautious... even if it's being overly cautious.
 
Smitty,

Have you found Personal Defense Specialists in South Hadley yet?

edited to add:

The shop they are talking about is Four Seasons in Woburn, which is about 105 miles (+/-) from where we are. It is quite possibly the best gun store in this miserable state. Carl would not take such a stand if there was not some reason to fear the AG.
 
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Scrivener said:
I have little use for dealers fabricating imaginary, more restrictive rules. The ones we have are bad enough without their cretinous additions to the surplus.
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Up to you. But as you probably know, the AG has already cost several gun shops quite a bit of money spent on legal representation. It is Carl's livelihood on the line, not yours.
 
FPrice,
Personal Defense Specialists in South Hadley - I haven't been there yet but I have looked at their site. It's ran by the guy who worked for Colt in the past around the time of the whole "Pocket 9" / let's dump the Mustang .380 & Detective Special thing. I will go in and take a look give the shop a chance. Truth is I'm more of a rifle guy.
SMITTY
 
Cross-X said:
You might feel differently if you owned a gun shop and had the AG's minions snooping in your store renlentlessly.
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Not if I could read the "Large Capacity Roster" and sold new 10/22's only with the factory mags.

Rolling over just aids and abets such abuses - and encourages more of them.
 
Gentelmen.

I am all for a shop owner going to the letter of the law. But, adding to it? Come on the law is the law. Only here (or someplace like it) are there this many things open to personal views. I know that there are some good guys on here like FPrice & M1911 so I'll try to withold my judgement. Four Seasons does have the best MA Gunshop website. I just don't think Carl or anybody else needs to push more on the lawful gun owner.
SMITTY
 
smitty said:
FPrice,
Personal Defense Specialists in South Hadley - I haven't been there yet but I have looked at their site. It's ran by the guy who worked for Colt in the past around the time of the whole "Pocket 9" / let's dump the Mustang .380 & Detective Special thing. I will go in and take a look give the shop a chance. Truth is I'm more of a rifle guy.
SMITTY
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He has had some nice rifles and shotguns in the recent past and may surprise you.

Regarding his tenure at Colt, it may surprise you when he tells you who was behind dumping a lot of the small handguns from the Colt line.

Let me know (if you can) when you plan on going there and I'll try to meet you.
 
Scrivener said:
Not if I could read the "Large Capacity Roster" and sold new 10/22's only with the factory mags.

Rolling over just aids and abets such abuses - and encourages more of them.
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Scriv,

Are you volunteering to represent Carl pro bono if the AG takes a sudden dislike to him and presses the issue?
 
smitty said:
I am all for a shop owner going to the letter of the law. But, adding to it? Come on the law is the law. Only here (or someplace like it) are there this many things open to personal views. I know that there are some good guys on here like FPrice & M1911 so I'll try to withold my judgement. Four Seasons does have the best MA Gunshop website. I just don't think Carl or anybody else needs to push more on the lawful gun owner.
SMITTY
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Smitty, Carl has been screwed in the past by the AG. He's not trying push more on the lawful gun owner. He's trying to keep what little money he has in his wallet instead of spending it on attorneys defending himself from the AG.

Based on his past experience, it is no surprise that he's very conservative in his interpretation of MA laws and regulations. Rest assured that he doesn't like it any better than you do, but failing to be that conservative in the past has cost him far more than he would make selling hundreds of guns.

It is easy for us to beat our chest about how we would tough it out and carry the legal fight to the end. It is a bit harder when you are the one paying the attorneys by the hour.
 
Scrivener said:
Well - maybe you can't.

I have little use for dealers fabricating imaginary, more restrictive rules. The ones we have are bad enough without their cretinous additions to the surplus.
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I agree, but having business policies reasonably designed to protect your livelihood is totally different from creating fictitious laws and regulations to place the onus for those policies onto some other body. I strongly that most practicing attorneys have certain policies regarding their practice that aren't directly imposed by any state or federal law or regulation, but are simply a response to the legal and regulatory environment in which they operate. After all, being the paying client rather than the paid advocate tends to put the world in an entirely different light.

Ken
 
KMaurer said:
I agree, but having business policies reasonably designed to protect your livelihood is totally different from creating fictitious laws and regulations to place the onus for those policies onto some other body.
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Quite true as a general statement. Now let us apply your standards to the actual issue:

1. Is the 10/22 on the dreaded "Large Capacity Roster?". NO.

2. Does Ruger currently ship the 10/22 with any magazines other than the 10-round rotary magazine originally designed for it? NO.

3. Has Ruger EVER shipped the 10/22 with a magazine that had a capacity of more than 10 rounds? NO.


Sorry, but three strikes and you're OUT!


The fears about being charged w/selling a firearm outside the license restriction are wholly baseless. Ergo, the "No FID sales" rule is not a matter of "business policies reasonably designed to protect your livelihood;" it constitutes "creating fictitious laws and regulations."

There is a difference between "cautious" and "servile."
 
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Scrivener said:
Well - maybe you can't.

I have little use for dealers fabricating imaginary, more restrictive rules. The ones we have are bad enough without their cretinous additions to the surplus.
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Sure, more business for you.[wink]

I am sure Carl is well aware of what he can and can not sell, but it may not be worth it for him to sell certain items that may be "questionable" by our lawmakers. What if they wanted to challenge him on it. He will now have to pay thousands of dollars proving that he is in the right. Why go through it?

Instead of blaming him why not challenge the law makers to simplify the licenses? Many states have require no license for long guns and just one or two license's for hand gun's (conceal and non concealed). Does MA really need 4 different licenses, 5 if you include chemical?
 
Moderator said:
Many states have require no license for long guns and just one or two license's for hand gun's (conceal and non concealed). Does MA really need 4 different licenses, 5 if you include chemical?
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There aren't 5 licenses; there are 4 - and that's including the FID/Mace.

As for dealers who make things worse than they already are - I've stated my opinion of them and the reasons therefore.
 
Moderator said:
What about that green one?

My math... probably is wrong

LTC-A
LTC-B
FID
FID-Chemical only
Machine gun
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Good call, but an MG license is dependent upon the existence of an LTC for all the MG licensees I know. Further, issuance of the MG license for non-dealers or instructors is dependent upon the applicant being a "bona fide collector." No existing license, no collection; no "bona fide collector."

This renders the MG license, at least in practice, a subset of an existing license. If you know an MG license holder who does NOT have a regular license also, I would love to hear about it.
 

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