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Anyone know the smallest grain bullet they sell for a 270? I'm a coyote hunter and was looking into a good round for yotes. Don't want to mess up the fur to bad. Thanks Harv.
 
this always gets me. Are you looking for a flat flier or are you looking to cause less damage on the target?
 
Harvy said:
Anyone know the smallest grain bullet they sell for a 270? I'm a coyote hunter and was looking into a good round for yotes. Don't want to mess up the fur to bad. Thanks Harv.
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Some sell a 125 grain softpoint bullet that can be used for varmints and expands rapidly. Hornady used to sell a 110 grain V-max cartridge that should work well. Not sure they still do.

I don't care so much about the fur and have used the 130 grain Winchester Ballistic tips in .270 on them. That gets it done but depending on what it hits can leave a mess. I had the rifle sighted in for deer and decided to use it for coyote given its flat trajectory. Again, doesn't matter to me how they end up as I don't use the fur or eat the meat.
 
MassMark said:
We have some .270 115gr Remington Low Recoil at Dicks Sporting Goods...Seems it would be pretty damned good for yotes...
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The only issue with these is they are down-loaded and don't have as flat a trajectory as a normal load with a lower grain bullet.

I think if you want a true varmint load, handloading is the way to go. 90 grain .270 bullets are available.
 
Just found some 110 grain double tap ammo. It is loaded with Barnes Triple shock lead free bullets and the ballistics at the muzzle are:

3465fps - 2932 ft./lbs. - 22.0" bbl. Marlin XL7

That should do the trick though they are $50 per 20. Pricey.
 
terraformer said:
Is that FMJ? Usually 115 is FMJ. Or is that a HP or a soft point?
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It's a PSP - essentially a Core Lokt. Look under 'Remington Managed Recoil' .270 I have sold a few boxes of it to people for deer and it apparently works well enough for Bambi, so coyotes would seem to be no worries. I have a ton of it at DSG is you want me to snag you a box.

Batstatesucks: We're talking about yotes here - not shooting deer across a ridge in Utah...No need to reinvent the wheel. Considering a .22lr is flat shooting enough to take out a deer, I would think a .270 MR 115 would be bullet-o-plenty...
 
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MassMark said:
Batstatesucks: We're talking about yotes here - not shooting deer across a ridge in Utah...No need to reinvent the wheel. Considering a .22lr is flat shooting enough to take out a deer, I would think a .270 MR 115 would be bullet-o-plenty...
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I concur, but what worries me about the Remington managed recoil round is they are not as flat shooting as normally loaded rounds. Sure, if you hit the coyote they will do the job. But one of the main advantages of using a .270 is its flat trajectory. I think you will lose that advantage, and as many coyote shots are well beyond 100 yards, it could be a problem. In addition, I do not think there is going to be much less, if any, damage if you do hit the dog with the managed recoil load versus a ballistic tip or some other bullet.

If I could have an ideal coyote caliber it would be either a .204 ruger or a 22-250, with the latter being favored due to ammo availibility and type. I have known some who use a .243 regularly as well. Some even use a .300 win. mag. Seems like overkill and a lot of recoil but you shoot what you have.
 
Here is a ballistic table for three different Remington rounds in .270

Velocity (ft/sec)
Cartridge Type Bullet Muzzle 100 200 300 400 500
Remington® Managed Recoil® 115 PSP CL 2710 2412 2133 1873 1636 1425
Premier® AccuTip™ 130 AT BT 3060 2845 2639 2442 2254 2076
Premier® Scirocco™ Bonded 130 SSB 3060 2838 2627 2425 2232 2048


Energy (ft-lbs)
Cartridge Type Bullet Muzzle 100 200 300 400 500
Remington® Managed Recoil® 115 PSP CL 1875 1485 1161 896 683 519
Premier® AccuTip™ 130 AT BT 2702 2335 2009 1721 1467 1243
Premier® Scirocco™ Bonded 130 SSB 2702 2325 1991 1697 1438 1211




Short-Range Trajectory
Cartridge Type Bullet 50 100 150 200 250 300
Remington® Managed Recoil® 115 PSP CL 0.1 zero -1.6 -4.8 -10 -17.8
Premier® AccuTip™ 130 AT BT 0.0 0.5 zero -1.7 -4.7 -9.0
Premier® Scirocco™ Bonded 130 SSB 0.0 0.6 zero -1.7 -4.7 -9.0


Long Trajectory
Cartridge Type Bullet 100 150 200 250 300 400 500
Remington® Managed Recoil® 115 PSP CL 1.0 zero -2.7 -7.4 -14.2 -35.6 -70.1
Premier® AccuTip™ 130 AT BT 1.4 1.3 zero -2.4 -6.4 -18.6 -37.7
Premier® Scirocco™ Bonded 130 SSB 1.4 1.3 zero -2.5 -6.5 -18.8 -38.2

Note that at 250 yards, the managed recoil had dropped more than 2X the other two rounds, and the other two rounds are heavier bullets. This chart isn't entirely accurate as the zero points are not the same, but it shows that the reduced velocities from the managed recoil greatly alter the "flatness" of the .270 round. Also note that the energy has dropped to 2X lower in the managed recoil. Still enough to kill a coyote to be sure, but you probably wouldn't hit it at 250 yards due to the trajectory.
 
Hornady makes 100 gr soft points as well as 110 gr HP, V-Max, and V-Max w/Cannelure. The place I would order them from has them listed as "On Order". PM if you want the seller info. They will take a copy of your LTC and keep it on file. Keep us up to date on your progress here as I have a .270 that I am thinking about setting up for coyotes.
 
Harvy said:
Anyone know the smallest grain bullet they sell for a 270? I'm a coyote hunter and was looking into a good round for yotes. Don't want to mess up the fur to bad. Thanks Harv.
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You will certainly not want anything in 270 then.

Most here (click) will say to go with the .17 Remington, with growing popularity in .204 Ruger and .17 Fireball, and the old standby of .22 Hornet. They will tell you .223 is pretty much max for coyote, and bigger calibers like 22-250, .243, etc. will blow holes in the hide, requiring much sewing. Go ask there.

Personally, I might prefer the .19 Calhoon, the .19 Badger, the .20 VarTarg, the .17 or .20 Mink, or the .17 Fireball.

17 Fireball links:
http://www.remington.com/products/ammunition/centerfire/17_Remington_Fireball.asp
http://www.chuckhawks.com/17Fireball.htm
http://www.gunsandhunting.com/sweetheat.html

another VarTarg link:
http://www.woodchuckden.com/VarTarg.aspx
 
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Have only seen the managed recoil stuff in 115g. That has already been discussed as to pros and cons. If you reload, I get them down to 90g JHP made by Sierra. (I use them in my 6.8 Remington SPC) You could probably work up a very hot very flat shooting load with those for your .270

Edit: Just looked up on Hodgdon and they do have load data for the 90g HP. Velocities on max loads of 3400 to 3600+ fps.
 
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cekim said:
Courtesy flush when you drop a post like that - I think it crested the water line man... [thinking]

[laugh]
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The OP wants to shoot coyotes, AND save fur. It's NOT gonna happen with a .270. Like killing a fly with a sledghammer. Like I said. Choose the right tool for the job. Hey, I wanna race in the Indy 500, but my F-250 just won't hold the road. Can you suggest a better tire? [hmmm]
 
If you still insist on the .270, which goes against all advice I've seen regarding taking pelts, I then suggest you use a FMJ bullet, so it make the minimum size hole, with no expansion.
 
Coyote33 said:
If you still insist on the .270, which goes against all advice I've seen regarding taking pelts, I then suggest you use a FMJ bullet, so it make the minimum size hole, with no expansion.
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Very well said....except that the FMJ bullets probably won't get you quick, clean kills. In fact, you will probably lose dogs with them. Which brings us back to.........................(drum roll)

Use the correct gun for the job.
[wink][wink][wink]
 
cricco said:
The OP wants to shoot coyotes, AND save fur. It's NOT gonna happen with a .270. Like killing a fly with a sledghammer. Like I said. Choose the right tool for the job. Hey, I wanna race in the Indy 500, but my F-250 just won't hold the road. Can you suggest a better tire? [hmmm]
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Well, I was more commenting on the gun snobbery (and joking) - there's a difference between "this is the wrong tool for that job" and quote SNL, "Jane, you ignorant slut"...
 
.270 ---------> too big
.260 ---------> too big
.257 Roberts ---------> too big
.243 ---------> too big
.220 Swift ---------> too big
.22-250 ---------> too big
.223 ---------> too big, but tolerable
.222 ---------> too big, but tolerable
.204 Ruger ---------> good
.17 Remington ---------> "best"
.17 Fireball ---------> "best"
.17 HMR ---------> too small
.22 Magnum ---------> too small
.22LR ---------> too small

.17, .19, & .20 wildcats mentioned earlier, mostly fall under "best" as well.

Many of these can be chambered in an AR. Hope this helps.
 

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