Opinion: I think Massachusetts is going to conduct an anti-gun overreach resulting in non compliance and nullification

Dench said:
With all the common sense everyone keeps laying on each other we are on a road straight to hell. Our economy is in danger, people with service jobs are done, our schools are closed, our fitness centers closed or will be. More restrictions to come under the guidance of further common sense.
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Relax. We'll be fine in the long run. Some casualties maybe, but there are always casualties. That's just the price of "shit happens", but in the end, we'll be fine. You too.
 
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Rob Boudrie said:
Gun grabs, carry bans, etc. are more likely to happen in states where carrying is the norm; the perception is anyone can do it; and open carry is legally and culturally supported. Here in MA as (I think) DrGrant once observed, carry generally flies below the radar and those not exposed to the gun world don't have any idea that ordinary unimportant people can actually carry. Its similar to how the "permit not valid" areas in shall-issue states tend to be larger than in may issue states, and was actually once expanded when a state went from a "may" to a 'shall" state. (MI - the "shall issue" law added new carry ban zones not present in the "may issue" days)
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Your statement bold for clarity........Are you on drugs?
 
Uzi2 said:
Your statement bold for clarity........Are you on drugs?
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Actually, a veritable pharmacy, but nothing scheduled or mind altering. I draw my conclusions based on observations of recent history.

I am not referring to the kind of creeping gun grab that the enemy is always trying to slip in, or the Beto kind of stuff. That kind of stuff obviously gets more traction in states dominated by elitist liberals.

I am referring to the knee-jerk reaction of "OMG, TEOTWAWKI, we cant have ordinary people running around with guns". You tend to see this kind of emergency action like "emergency powers no guns may be carried" in traditionally pro-gun states. Katrina saw the LA cops literally going door to door to steal guns, but the disaster on Long Island, where there are numerous licensed gun owners but they are in the minority and few carry, did not prompt any adverse action.

There is also a correlation between "Shall issue" and garbage like binding signage; prohibited zones; etc. Here in MA the only state prohibited zones are schools, the surface of the ocean within 500ft of Logan airport, and placed administratively prohibited like courthouses. This may be correlation without causality, and could be based more on the fact that shall issue laws tend to be more recent than may issue ones.

Go down to TX and you'll find the 30.06 and 30.07 signage law. Head out to UT and churches may declare themselves "gun free zones", then give their designated favored people carry permission (and the LDS has already registered as a no-gun zone). Or look at MI where they went from may to shall issue and, in doing so, added some prohibited places. Heck, I have fewer restrictions on where I can carry in MA than I would in Arizona or Texas. I can't carry in a "place of nuisance" in FL. When you figure out exactly what that is please let me know, and fill me in on the Zoobow thing as well.

When I had lunch with a colleague in WA, he was open carrying and had tell the hostess that he needed seating that was not in the posted over 21 area because he was armed. The area was rather pro-gun; his being visibly armed did not cause any concern other than finding us another table; but it would have been a crime for him to take a table in the wrong section of the restaurant. Not so in most shall-issue states. Even pro-gun (at the time) VA had a restaurant ban to go along with shall issue. TX requires you carry an accountant with you to audit any restaurant before you go in to make sure that alcohol sales are not 51% or more of revenue, and entering such an establishment armed is a crime.

Maine is an exception as it is both constitutional carry and shall issue, but signs in bars (only) are legally binding.

Go to a hospital in MA? Sure, I might violate a policy (as did the individual who took out someone who was stabbing an MD ass Mass General and saved her life), but in TX it would be a crime as pretty much all hospitals have 30.06/30.07 signs. Oh, and the anti-gun states of MA and NY have no concept of a "binding signage" law for carry permit holders.
 
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Gak44 said:
Can you guys imagine that if a donk was in the WH now, the US Constitution would be suspended and Martial Law declared. It would be a full on commie dictatorship. That is their end game, no doubt.
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That's not Trump's style, but there are plenty of statists in Congress and the Supreme Court who aren't leftists.
 
Rob Boudrie said:
Here in MA the only state prohibited zones are schools, the surface of the ocean within 500ft of Logan airport, and placed administratively prohibited like courthouses.
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Rob, you missed a few: CMRs prohibits POSSESSION of a firearm on ANY casino properties in MA as well as MassPort airport property (single exception for unloaded, locked as luggage to be checked).
 
Dadstoys said:
This is going to hurt a lot of people.
They have effectively put a large portion of the states population out of work.
Think about every bartender, waitress, bus boy, and cook.
Now the cleaning guy.
Now the guys that drives the produce, meat and sundry supply trucks that deliver to them
The folks that work in the warehouses that supply them and the folks that service that industry as well.
I just caught Baker talking about something to do with shutting down construction in Boston as well.

Not buying for a second that any of this "Aid " they are talking about is going to find it's way to the poor blue collar schmucks that are going to take the biggest hit.
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I'm a distribution manager for a frozen food company. We're seeing food service (restaurant and institutional food) tank.....but retail product orders for Walmart and grocery store chains have doubled in volume. Production scheduling is changing from food service to retail as fast as we can
 
Len-2A Training said:
Rob, you missed a few: CMRs prohibits POSSESSION of a firearm on ANY casino properties in MA as well as MassPort airport property (single exception for unloaded, locked as luggage to be checked).
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Thanks. Am I correct in my understanding that CMRs bear a trivial penalty like a small fine?

The CMRs also require you check your guns and explosives with the MSP station at the airport while visiting Logan (though I don't see that in the current version). A licensed individual checking a box of blasting caps at the MSP station would trump the time Chris Tavares demanded the Phoenix library check his gun. (AZ law requires public entities - I think govt only - to check guns if they ban them from entry, so Chris demanded the library desk check his gun). Chris left the DPRM before the days of NES but was our one man think tank.
 
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Rob Boudrie said:
Thanks. Am I correct in my understanding that CMRs bear a trivial penalty like a small fine?

The CMRs also require you check your guns and explosives with the MSP station at the airport while visiting Logan. A licensed individual checking a box of blasting caps at the MSP station would trump the time Chris Tavares demanded the Phoenix library check his gun. (AZ law requires public entities - I think govt only - to check guns if they ban them from entry, so Chris demanded the library desk check his gun). Chris left the DPRM before the days of NES but was our one man think tank.
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I don't recall the CMR penalties. Yes, I miss Chris as well. Last I knew he was enjoying life at a ranch near Phoenix.
 
Do you have airport or casino CMR numbers?

Are the CM violations crimes or civil traffic ticket like offenses (and how are they reported in CORI)
 
M60 said:
Relax. We'll be fine in the long run. Some casualties maybe, but there are always casualties. That's just the price of "shit happens", but in the end, we'll be fine. You too.
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In the NESfreakour scale for this I'm a 2/10
 
Rob Boudrie said:
Chris Tavares demanded the Phoenix library check his gun. (AZ law requires public entities - I think govt only - to check guns if they ban them from entry, so Chris demanded the library desk check his gun). Chris left the DPRM before the days of NES but was our one man think tank.
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A very strong willed and intellectual individual.
 
Rob Boudrie said:
Do you have airport or casino CMR numbers?

Are the CM violations crimes or civil traffic ticket like offenses (and how are they reported in CORI)
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Of course I do. ;)

•Casinos – 205 CMR 138.20, Airports – 740 CMR 30.04-.05

Happy reading. They even prohibit non-MSP Gaming Commission officers from possessing guns on casino property, requiring reports and investigation if a visiting officer does so.
 
Len-2A Training said:
Of course I do. ;)

•Casinos – 205 CMR 138.20, Airports – 740 CMR 30.04-.05

Happy reading. They even prohibit non-MSP Gaming Commission officers from possessing guns on casino property, requiring reports and investigation if a visiting officer does so.
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The Casino CMR provides for removal of the carrier from the premises, investigation and "if appropriate" prosecution but does not seem to provide any penalty or create any new crime.

The Airport CMR actually establishes that ammo and gun must be transported in a separate box or bag, and provides a fine of "the max the authority is allowed to impost" but still seems to fall short of a criminal offense.

So, are violations reported to CORI or are the excluded because they are non-criminal like most traffic citations?

The finally put the CMRs online: Code of Massachusetts Regulations (CMR)
 
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