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Some guns (Glock comes to mind) require the trigger be pulled as the third step of the disassembly process - step 1 being point in a safe direction, and step 2 being to check the chamber. My guess is that it was a Glock or Glock like weapon that required a trigger pull to disengage the striker from the sear plate.What was the shooter thinking?
I don't care for it, since it can lead to carrying an unloaded gun for protection. I prefer "treat every gun as if it is in the state you do not want it in until you have personally proven otherwise". I still teach the "treat every gun as loaded" mantra in classes though for simplicity of the message.I don't care for the rule of "treat every gun as if it's loaded",
If you visually check that it is clear, and it isn't but you think it is, then you aren't actually paying attention and shouldn't be handling the firearm at all until you decide to care. And chances are, if that is the case, it doesn't much matter what you do, you are prone to mistakes.
This is the problem I've always had with military-style range rules: the assumption that at some point, a gun is unloaded.
I don't care for the rule of "treat every gun as if it's loaded", because people inevitably don't really, when they and those around them have gone through a clearing procedure. I prefer it the way I do it: treat every gun knowing that it actually IS loaded, because it is.
Can you show me where the safety is on my G19?
A problem with this method is that it requires disassembly beyond the field stripping the manufacturer recommends for end users. Departments tend to have policies restricting this level of disassembly to certified personel only. An FBI agent I knew socially told me he was not allowed to strip his weapon beyond field stripping, and had to turn it in to an agency armorer for anything requiring a detail strip.This video shows how to strip a glock without pulling the trigger. Interesting.
People make mistakes. They always have and they always will. They get tired. They get distracted. They get sick. That is why there are multiple safety rules. You have to break more than one safety rule for something bad to happen.
No, I'm not excusing people for screwing up. But I'm saying that even the best of us will screw up at some point.
He means that the second officer fired his gun. He pulled the damn trigger of a loaded gun while it was pointed at a fellow officer. Moron should be charged with manslaughter.
He means that the second officer fired his gun. He pulled the damn trigger of a loaded gun while it was pointed at a fellow officer. Moron should be charged with manslaughter.
Can you show me where the safety is on my G19?
OCALA, Fla. (WOGX FOX 51) - Ocala police say one of their officers has died after being shot during firearms training on Monday.
Officer Jared Forsyth, 33, was rushed to a Ocala Regional Medical Center in critical condition and immediately taken into surgery, but he later died from his injuries. According to a police spokesperson, the accidental shooting happened just before 3:30 p.m. at a gun range at the Lowell Correctional Institution, at 3700 NW 111th Place in Ocala.
Because the Florida Department of Law Enforcement is investigating the incident, few details of the shooting are being released at present time, and another officer who was involved is not being named.
"Words cant express the sorrow that I feel for losing an officer under my watch. I just pray I don't lose two. If you pray, please pray for my officer, pray for the one who didn't survive, and pray for the one that hopefully will survive this," said Ocala Police Chief Greg Graham.
Officer Forsyth joined the force in April of 2012. He leaves behind a mother and a stepfather.
http://www.myfoxorlando.com/story/2...cal-after-being-shot-during-firearms-training
Terrible accident. I wonder how it happened.
Even when I drop a mag I rack the slide 3 times in rapid succession. This helps prevent your first story. If your habit is to rack more than once, you'll cycle a loaded round out when a loaded mag is inserted. Rounds flying out of your gun as you rack it is a good reminder you need to square your shit away mentally and get back on point. This can be a good stop gap when you are fatigued.
yup ---always rack more than once---2 is good , 3 is better
I know this may sound like picking nits... but here's the way I look at clearing guns. I don't tell people to look for an empty chamber. The brain sees what it wants to see. I tell them to look for brass. It's a more affirmative way (imo) of verifying an empty chamber. Brains play tricks. I also try to be in the habit of just locking back slide after dropping a magazine, then I look for brass, then I do my OCD racking session.
this was probably not an option. My closest friend is a deputy sheriff in a different county in FL and after qualifying they are required to clean their gun before presenting it to the armorer for inspection.
Can you show me where the safety is on my G19?
i like a visual/tactile check of the chamber. extractors can break at just the wrong time.Even when I drop a mag I rack the slide 3 times in rapid succession. This helps prevent your first story. If your habit is to rack more than once, you'll cycle a loaded round out when a loaded mag is inserted. Rounds flying out of your gun as you rack it is a good reminder you need to square your shit away mentally and get back on point. This can be a good stop gap when you are fatigued.
We are being told it was a ricochet, I think the news had it that way as well. Certainly does not lessen the fact that he wasn't paying attention though.
Elementary. He ignored at least two cardinal rules. That is how accidents happen.He means that the second officer fired his gun. He pulled the damn trigger of a loaded gun while it was pointed at a fellow officer. Moron should be charged with manslaughter.
Amen.I am not going to say he should have, could have,because we all know he didn't do something right,and he payed for it with his life.What we have to learn from this is to never let our guard down when it comes to saftey. May God be with him,and his family.
I thought I was the only OCD full anal retentive idiot who did this, except of course for my kids, who rack x3 and follow Appleseed range rules.
A problem with this method is that it requires disassembly beyond the field stripping the manufacturer recommends for end users. Departments tend to have policies restricting this level of disassembly to certified personel only. An FBI agent I knew socially told me he was not allowed to strip his weapon beyond field stripping, and had to turn it in to an agency armorer for anything requiring a detail strip.
Magazine first or a ride in the hearse, just saying.For people who don't handle firearms a lot, it's generally ignorance.
For people who do handle firearms a lot, it's generally not so much arrogance as complacency. It only takes a moment of carelessness.
I've had a negligent discharge with my Glock. Not accidental, negligent. I was going to strip the slide to show another shooter the barrel. So, I cleared the chamber by racking the slide, pointed the muzzle in a safe direction and pulled the trigger so that I could take the slide off. What the hell? The gun was empty, right? Wrong. It would have been empty if I'd dropped the magazine like I was supposed to.