OC in CT. Guy is asked to leave Subway...

[kmanick]

does this help, its worth it to stand up for your rights

http://www.northeastshooters.com/vb...detain-Open-Carrier-Open-Carrier-makes-30-000

Ok Ok I ****ing get it jesus...I didn't realize the laws in CT were different than they are here in the socialist republic.
****ing hang me in the town square as a traitor already
oh and the guy that brought up the gay marriage statement? really ? that's where you go with this??

 

[Buggin]

Ok Ok I ****ing get it jesus...I didn't realize the laws in CT were different than they are here in the socialist republic.
****ing hang me in the town square as a traitor already
oh and the guy that brought up the gay marriage statement? really ? that's where you go with this??

And now you know grasshopper.
There's very little middle ground on many of our beliefs. The more we give, the more they take.
Many have drawn the line in the sand and have said enough is enough.
And no, we'd rather not get the tread locked with the gay marriage debate.
That said, welcome to the forum. Enjoy!

 

[Tyke]

Ok Ok I ****ing get it jesus...I didn't realize the laws in CT were different than they are here in the socialist republic.
****ing hang me in the town square as a traitor already
oh and the guy that brought up the gay marriage statement? really ? that's where you go with this??

Yes. That's where I went with it. It used the same logical construct as you did as a means by which to show how poor such logic is and to directly refute the logic.

 

[Chevy 2 65]

Ok Ok I ****ing get it jesus...I didn't realize the laws in CT were different than they are here in the socialist republic.
****ing hang me in the town square as a traitor already
oh and the guy that brought up the gay marriage statement? really ? that's where you go with this??

Welcome, and oh yeah........Buy a Glock

 

[je25ff]

that's just obnoxious. Knowing the climate being what it is that's just asking for harassment. I'm sorry on this one I don't agree, show your permit and order your f**king sub. do you need to prove a point 24/7
It' s not like we don't already have enough obstacles carrying. Learn to pick your battles wisely in life.

Once you hand over the permit, you don't have a permit and you've just conceded to all kinds of anal probing.

 

[kmanick]

And now you know grasshopper.
There's very little middle ground on many of our beliefs. The more we give, the more they take.
Many have drawn the line in the sand and have said enough is enough.
And no, we'd rather not get the tread locked with the gay marriage debate.
That said, welcome to the forum. Enjoy!

Jesus.....I guess so. I've only had my permit for about 8 months or so and never really seriously thought about getting a firearm.................until someone tried to break into my
house at 1:30 in the morning and scared the bejesus out of my wife and daughter. Now they are both totally on board, the wife is taking her permit class on the 31rst, my 13 year old daughter
wants her own permit LOL) , so my point being, I've never had to deal with any of these "abuses" against my liberty or rights. If you're not a gun guy you really won't know
about them, the MSM is so slanted, you'll never see "our" side of an argument, so give me my 30 lashes and I'll fall in line ...dominas.

 

[Carl in Ct]

What's hard with stuff like this is most of us are reasonable people willing to come to reasonable solutions that both sides of an issue can live with. The problem is that doesn't work with liberals, especially regarding guns. They lie, lie, lie, lie and lie some more. Their word isn't worth a sh*t. Our side tried to be reasonable and went along with a little bit of gun control in attempts to be reasonable and find a solution that everyone could live with. Well, the liberals went back on their word which we now know were lies to begin with.

They keep coming back for more, they lied about being reasonable, they just look at each freedom they take, each right they infringe upon as another step towards their goal of total control over a population of sheep with no means nor will to resist. Even when they lose and a bill is defeated they come right back with it and the same bills get cycled through over and over and over again until they finally win and it is passed. There needs to be a limit on a bill or any variation of it being voted on and they need to stop allowing totally unrelated legislation to be attached to something else to try and sneak laws in.

We cannot compromise at all, ever again, never, not over the slightest thing. My first inclination in this case was to just show the permit because refusing made it seem like he might not have one. That's wrong thinking. I have to apply the same logic to that situation that I do with gun laws which is no compromise, none, ever. We may still get crap laws rammed down our throats because of the scared general public voting for tyrants that they think will protect them and feed them and clothe them, etc but we can't go down without a fight.

 

[Buggin]

Summed up nicely Carl.

 

[Chet0729]

Welcome, and oh yeah........Buy a Glock

But not in 40

 

[drgrant]

Once you hand over the permit, you don't have a permit and you've just conceded to all kinds of anal probing.

Not necessarily but I have no doubt with the lack of courtesy shown by the police that giving them a permit would deescalate them only slightly, I bet they still would have given him shit for OCing. There was no diplomacy on the part of the police. Makes it hard to act in good faith when there is none to begin with.

 

[StevieP]

First dergree deals with explosives. Here is second degree but foes not seem to fit here. a) A person is guilty of breach of the peace in the second degree when, with intent to cause inconvenience, annoyance or alarm, or recklessly creating a risk thereof, such person: (1) Engages in fighting or in violent, tumultuous or threatening behavior in a public place; or (2) assaults or strikes another; or (3) threatens to commit any crime against another person or such other person’s property; or (4) publicly exhibits, distributes, posts up or advertises any offensive, indecent or abusive matter concerning any person; or (5) in a public place, uses abusive or obscene language or makes an obscene gesture; or (6) creates a public and hazardous or physically offensive condition by any act which such person is not licensed or privileged to do. For purposes of this section, “public place” means any area that is used or held out for use by the public whether owned or operated by public or private interests.
(b) Breach of the peace in the second degree is a class B misdemeanor.

Prove intent

 

[Drunder40]

Nope, they need to follow the law.

I agree here. They should know and follow the law.. Citizens look up to LE to enforce and uphold the law. They are held to a higher standard.

True the citizen could have shown the officers his permit but on the flip side the officers should have left him alone once he said he was not required by any law to do so.

That of course assuming the officers know the law which they clearly do not.

 

[MachineHead]

Ok Ok I ****ing get it jesus...I didn't realize the laws in CT were different than they are here in the socialist republic.
****ing hang me in the town square as a traitor already
oh and the guy that brought up the gay marriage statement? really ? that's where you go with this??

Broken down to be rebuilt. This is the change in mindset so many people need to see that we REALLY do have rights. If we concede these rights and let a little slip here and there, then more will be taken.

It's like having one hand cuffed and the other free to fight with a sword against someone who is not cuffed and bigger than you but with the same size sword, but limited in their movement.

Defend your rights legally so that boundaries are set.

 

[AHM]

looked like Magilla Gorilla

To my way of thinking, more like one of:

1. Michelin Man,
2. Pillsbury Dough Boy, or
3. Mr. Stay-Puft.

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I don't get what the big deal is. If you're open carrying and a cop says can I see your permit? why do you not just show it to him and be on your way?

Was he acting in an unlawful manner? If no, then the cops should move along (or not be there in the first place) ...

Yeah, that would have been a funnier dénouement to the cop asking for the guy's license:

1. Guy shows the cop his license.
2. Guy tells the cop, "..., so there's nothing to see here officer; move along".

 

[drgrant]

I agree here. They should know and follow the law.. Citizens look up to LE to enforce and uphold the law. They are held to a higher standard.

True the citizen could have shown the officers his permit but on the flip side the officers should have left him alone once he said he was not required by any law to do so.

That of course assuming the officers know the law which they clearly do not.

In some cases they know the law but they like to tiptoe around it and see if they can get away with badgering people. There's this built in tendency in some LE groupthink circles to "control" every situation even if its not a situation that needs "controlling" when the whole thing was some moonbat calling the cops on a guy OCing and not something resembling an actual crime.

-Mike

 

[In God We Trust]

In some cases they know the law but they like to tiptoe around it and see if they can get away with badgering people. There's this built in tendency in some LE groupthink circles to "control" every situation even if its not a situation that needs "controlling" when the whole thing was some moonbat calling the cops on a guy OCing and not something resembling an actual crime.

-Mike

There is also the fact that since the guy was dispatched to this nonsense in the first place, he felt he needed to "do something" so he could write a report the supervisor wouldn't shit a brick over.

I've heard radio calls sending cops to check out a suspicious person and the cop will ask the dispatcher "what is suspicious about this guy?"

The moon bats are bad enough but it if I had to deal with calls like that, I would want the dispatcher to be screening them harder and have a firm policy in place about what I was supposed to do about it.

 

[Randy Lahey]

Sgt. Staypuft says you must be a god if you wish to carry in CT

 

[AHM]

See the lady

In some cases they know the law but they like to tiptoe around it and see if they can get away with badgering people. There's this built in tendency in some LE groupthink circles to "control" every situation even if its not a situation that needs "controlling" when the whole thing was some moonbat calling the cops on a guy OCing and not something resembling an actual crime. ...

Which reminds me of a snappy way to really start the relationship off on the wrong foot. When the cop sez "we have a report of someone with a gun - papers pliz", immediately react with, "OMG, officer! Did you already get the complainant's panties untwisted, or is another unit rolling to handle that?"

 

[drgrant]

There is also the fact that since the guy was dispatched to this nonsense in the first place, he felt he needed to "do something" so he could write a report the supervisor wouldn't shit a brick over.

I've heard radio calls sending cops to check out a suspicious person and the cop will ask the dispatcher "what is suspicious about this guy?"

The moon bats are bad enough but it if I had to deal with calls like that, I would want the dispatcher to be screening them harder and have a firm policy in place about what I was supposed to do about it.

Cops have to write anything more than a sentence about a non crime?

 

[Carl in Ct]

Does it ever occur to the police to ask the caller what the problem is? Why don't they ask if the guy OCing is doing something threatening or suspicious or is he just minding his own business and happens to be open carrying? If they did that they might be able to avoid these types of confrontations as well as educate the ignorant moonbat masses.

My guess is that moonbats in CT don't know it is perfectly legal to OC in this state so they flip out when they see it. A simple question by the person taking the call and informing the moonbat that simply OCing is not a crime and if the OCer is not acting in a suspicious or threatening manner than they aren't going to waste police time/resources rolling a unit out to soothe their unfounded fears.

If it makes the moonbat feel better the police can tell them to pee themselves and shelter in place until the OCer gets his Subway and goes about his business.

 

[Chris M.]

Does it ever occur to the police to ask the caller what the problem is? Why don't they ask if the guy OCing is doing something threatening or suspicious or is he just minding his own business and happens to be open carrying? If they did that they might be able to avoid these types of confrontations as well as educate the ignorant moonbat masses.

My guess is that moonbats in CT don't know it is perfectly legal to OC in this state so they flip out when they see it. A simple question by the person taking the call and informing the moonbat that simply OCing is not a crime and if the OCer is not acting in a suspicious or threatening manner than they aren't going to waste police time/resources rolling a unit out to soothe their unfounded fears.

If it makes the moonbat feel better the police can tell them to pee themselves and shelter in place until the OCer gets his Subway and goes about his business.

Oh, you mean address the unreasonable hoplophibia pandemic.
No can do.They wouldn't be able to say cool things like "1 adam 12, 1 adam 12, see the man at the Forth and Vine subway..."

 

[In God We Trust]

Cops have to write anything more than a sentence about a non crime?

Depends on the department. Some quiet towns want a full report for every call just to generate stats to justify a budget.

This camera thing and people telling cops to pound sand is a fairly new phenomenon. There has always been a policy of Identifying every citizen you get called out for regardless of how minor the offense is.

Most old school supervisors are not going to be happy if a call like this doesn't at least result in a warrant check.

Gay maybe, but it is what it is.