Note from MARGO (MA Responsible Gun Owners) Founding Member

Bottom line. We've had enough and our rights are being strip mined for entertainment purposes and votes that will keep hacks in power for ages. Enough has been taken with nothing given in return.

When does it end? Never.

Perhaps DU will give you the happy ending that you desire. It won't be found on this board. Hit the road and peddle the snake oil elsewhere.

Attorney Cohen is a backstabbing attention whore and screws us whenever he sees an opportunity to use us as stepping stones.


-Proud to be dad every day, a licensed plumber most days, and wish I was a shoemaker on others.
 
(Just for the record, if it was up to me I'd give an F to half the people on this forum, never mind the legislators).

Are you a GOAL member?


I was on a BOD for a few terms and if it was up to me if you didn't belong and maintain membership to GOAL you would be NOT ACCEPTED as a member. Sadly, money these days over rules reason and cause. Clubs need to spend money and they can't do it on >$100.00/yr.

It's a lot easier to sit in the background bitching and complaining about stuff you don't get off your ass to fix. No wonder I never want to get involved at a management level again!



As for MARGO they can ESAD. Too many people willing to remove what few rights (barely) we have left.
 
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You seem to downplay GOAL's lobbying efforts as a minor thing. They're not.

There are legislators that are ideologically pro-gun, others that are ideologically anti-gun, and others (most maybe) that personally don't care one way or another and will do whatever they need to do so that their constituency will vote them back into office.

Also, like any organization, some members are taken seriously and have influence, while others are clowns that everybody ignores.

Jim Wallace has been on the Hill for a decade now, knows all the players, and has established relationships with both the pro and anti-gun legislators. He can get a meeting with many of them whenever he needs to talk to them, and actually gets them to listen to our side of the debate. Do not underestimate how hard this is to do, and how important it is for us.

Dozens of anti-gun bills are introduced every session, and through his contacts, Jim knows which bills will die in committee, and which ones will be taken seriously. A lot of his job involves educating these people and cutting through the bullshit that is constantly spewed by the media. Jim has even been able to 'convert' some of the fence straddlers.

When a serious threat to our freedom pops up, Jim finds out about it quickly, and is able to rally both the GOAL membership as well as the 'friendly' legislators to stand up against it.

Take point 4 from the MARGO letter I cited in post #7 of this thread:


Why do you think GOAL's comments on the 'deadly' bills were 'tepid'? Do you think GOAL is stupid? Didn't read the bills? Don't care about our gun rights?

or....

Were the so-called 'deadly' bills ones that were introduced for political purposes only, and have no chance of even getting out of committee let alone coming to a vote or passing?

I think you know the answer. By having someone working on the inside, we're able to separate the dangerous wheat from the time-wasting chaff, and focus our limited resources on what's important. In MARGO's defense, they have no way of knowing which bills are dangerous and which ones are political smokescreens, so they have to go screaming off in all directions poking at every potential windmill that pops up.

Because our numbers are small-ish, GOAL has to use relationships and personal influence rather than brute force to stay ahead of harmful legislation. Jim has done an amazing job of this in the face of terrifying odds. How would you like to have been with him on the Hill the day after Newtown? Which brings us to the next topic...

Believe it or not, most legislators don't care about any issue that involves guns. The only time the issue is pushed to the forefront is in the wake of a tragedy, in which case guns are always the 'problem' that needs to be 'solved' with more legislation. For those of you that complain that GOAL is 'doing nothing' because it hasn't gotten the AWB repealed or the AG's list removed, or gotten rid of discretionary licensing, should know that GOAL has helped to pull off a small miracle in keeping things where they are now. Look at what has happened recently in CT, NY, CO, and CA. Is anybody but me surprised that MA has not jumped on the bandwagon? Hell, I'm shocked that MA isn't driving the friggin' bandwagon.

For now, we're forced to play defense. When our numbers reach the tipping point, we can go on offense. In the meantime, we've got our hands full just staying where we're at.

Well said and spot on. Thank You.
 
I sincerely hope Four seasons and any other dealer reading this takes note about the general disapproval from us... your customers. Cut ties with MARGO NOW or risk loosing future business.
 
For MA gun owners there are no compromises, only concessions.

The sooner people get this in their head the better we'll be. That's just the first step.

GOAL has been around for years preventing further bullshit that you don't even know about. Look it up for yourself.
 
I've been off the grid for a little, work and life have me under a rock. I'm so glad I saw this thread. Got a warm and fuzzy. You guys (NES) are the best.
 
So if you're the "responsible" MA gun owners what does that make the rest of us?

And do you stand by the comment that gun owners need to compromise? If this line is a lie have you gone after the Globe to issue a correction?

Gun owner "compromise" always ends up with us losing rights. their idea of "compromise" is just how much we lose. Isn't a compromise supposed to be give and take? So can anyone tell me what gun owners GAIN in these "compromises"?
 
Another gun owner here , who is disgusted with any group that wants to compromise my rights away.

And to kick the dead horse : A compromise is a two way exchange. I saw nothing in MARGO that defines compromise.

One more Kick : I dont want a compromise. I want "Repeal."
 
The anti-gun people do not know how to compromise, they only know how to force their agenda! The April/May edition of Women & Guns featured an article by Attorney Karen MacNutt on how Massachusetts gun laws evolved. It is the most detailed analysis I have ever read. It is an eye-opener. If the article is still on line, I urge all Massachusetts gun owners to read it.
Best regards.

Good article: +1

It's in the May/June edition though...

Women & Guns
 
Funny, I drafted my original response directly from some of your "recommendations" on your own website. Looks like you have now removed those "compromise" positions such as limiting purchases to 15 per year. You then quote your own initial recommendation without acknowledging that you even had a compromise position in the first place.

What else have you edited out are now blaming our reactions as being from bad or mischaracterized information?

How about this. NO MORE COMPROMISES!

Yeah, compromise gets you nothing but more laws on law abiding gun owners that criminals will not follow. Compromise is working so well for us in CT now. LOL
 
Still no sign of Rick Swasey or Bruce Blessington, huh? Seems pretty dumb of them to ignore NES beyond a hit-and-run post trying to defend themselves without actually addressing the criticism. If you believe in your cause, and whatever you're spouting off to anyone who will listen (up to and including the Boston Globe), you should be able to have an open conversation about your positions.
 
We must all hang together, or assuredly we shall all hang separately. - Ben Franklin at the signing of the Declaration of Independence

GOAL is the best we have, they work hard and cleaned things up when they needed too, albeit with a little push. We need to separate concerns about GOAL with fake groups like MARGO.

If you have question or concerns about GOAL, donate an afternoon to help out there and meet the staff and see what they do..
 
We must all hang together, or assuredly we shall all hang separately. - Ben Franklin at the signing of the Declaration of Independence

GOAL is the best we have, they work hard and cleaned things up when they needed too, albeit with a little push. We need to separate concerns about GOAL with fake groups like MARGO.

If you have question or concerns about GOAL, donate an afternoon to help out there and meet the staff and see what they do..

Plus 1
 
I'm of the opinion that if NES has 38K +/- members so shouldn't GOAL. Fact is being a gun owner in this state has sucked for more than 30 years and it's not going to get any better just because some new group who didn't align with the NRA or GOAL was formed. I'd really like to know just what doesn't make me a responsible gun owner now?

My GOAL renewal just came in this weeks mail. I'll be sure to drop them some extra coin in memory of MARGO.

People on NES belong to states other than MA, want to bring GOALs numbers up? take a non-shooter shooting
 
People on NES belong to states other than MA, want to bring GOALs numbers up? take a non-shooter shooting

lady atilla was spreading the good word in new york city of all places. an unlikely representative, she does her part to share shooting with folks to show that if this cute little girl does it... how bad are these people, REALLY?
 
lady atilla was spreading the good word in new york city of all places. an unlikely representative, she does her part to share shooting with folks to show that if this cute little girl does it... how bad are these people, REALLY?

That is good to hear. Many people have an anti-gun attitude because they don't know anyone who has guns. They only know what they see and hear in the MSM. When they meet a person that they perceive as 'normal,' someone they can identify with, they will sometimes rethink their attitude. "Hey, that could be me." It's not right, logical, or fair, it's simply human nature.
 
Karen McNutt's article was spot-on in describing how our gun rights have been slowly and consistently eroded in MA. One of her two strongest points to me were the fact that anybody who believes you can compromise is naïve.

"Compromise", when defined as it being used by the gun-haters is nothing more than self-destruction on the installment plan. Ms. McNutt's article spells out the history of that here in MA quite well. Just because the gun-haters call a forced concession a compromise doesn't make it one.

She has also hit the mark describing the leaders of the anti-gun movement as elitists, although I think that "hypocrites" is just as accurate.

I don't believe that you will ever satisfy the lust of these hypocrites to ban you and I from owning guns. Only when the unwashed masses are disarmed and dependent upon the government for what security these elites determine we are worthy of will they ever go away. Until that happens, then expect these so-called "compromises" to continue to re-appear.

The gun-haters are trying to eat our proverbial elephant one bite at a time. I have decided that there will be no more bites from my elephant.
 
I'm of the opinion that if NES has 38K +/- members so shouldn't GOAL. Fact is being a gun owner in this state has sucked for more than 30 years and it's not going to get any better just because some new group who didn't align with the NRA or GOAL was formed. I'd really like to know just what doesn't make me a responsible gun owner now?

My GOAL renewal just came in this weeks mail. I'll be sure to drop them some extra coin in memory of MARGO.

Not all of NES lives in MA. While I personally appreciate support from people who don't live in MA, it can't be expected.
 
Not all of NES lives in MA. While I personally appreciate support from people who don't live in MA, it can't be expected.

Fair enough but I'm sure my point was made. Perhaps 5-10 K members here are from out of state so that would at least double the ranks for them.
As a board member I wanted to see every applicant be a member of GOAL, the NRA, or both if you were joining the club to shoot.
 
Fair enough but I'm sure my point was made. Perhaps 5-10 K members here are from out of state so that would at least double the ranks for them.
As a board member I wanted to see every applicant be a member of GOAL, the NRA, or both if you were joining the club to shoot.
you think it is a mere 5 to 10k from outside the PDM (Mass isn't a republic hence I swapped the R for a D)
 
lady atilla was spreading the good word in new york city of all places. an unlikely representative, she does her part to share shooting with folks to show that if this cute little girl does it... how bad are these people, REALLY?

I always bring along my girlfriend when I can while taking anyone new to the range for the same reason

a 5'2" young lady packing heat and shooting steel always helps with the image
 
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