NM Governor bans guns in Albuquerque

chris_1001 said:
I have a 6 foot 200lb plus friend that still complains about 12ga recoil, he does a lot of shotgun stuff but whines a lot. Lol.
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I'd say that a light 12 ga with any load 1 oz or over is one of the hardest kicking guns out there. It's funny, when I let folks shoot my .50 bmg they're all expecting some really bad recoil. They're all surprise to learn that its perceived recoil is much milder than a 12 ga (mostly because the gun is so darn heavy).
 
Looks like she's trying to wiggle out of things... Not sure if this matters though. I would think it takes a law to put places off limits and not just some emergency order...

I assume the TRO still stands and this amended nonsense is still under the TRO and unenforceable... But IANAL

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NM Gov. Amends Her Order: Applies Only to City Parks, Playgrounds

New Mexico Gov. Michelle Lujan Grisham (D) amended her order Friday so that it applies only to city parks and playgrounds.
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tcarter01 said:
Looks like she's trying to wiggle out of things... Not sure if this matters though. I would think it takes a law to put places off limits and not just some emergency order...

I assume the TRO still stands and this amended nonsense is still under the TRO and unenforceable... But IANAL

www.breitbart.com

NM Gov. Amends Her Order: Applies Only to City Parks, Playgrounds

New Mexico Gov. Michelle Lujan Grisham (D) amended her order Friday so that it applies only to city parks and playgrounds.
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You raise an interesting point. The ban has been reported as an emergency public health order and not, as far as I am aware, as an actual law that was passed by the New Mexico legislature.

This brings to mind the Baker 2020 executive order to close gun stores and ranges as a public health necessity .........naturally for the health of the children.......that was found in court to be unconstitutional in its entirety. This was another example of an emergency order that had the force of law without actually being a law in and of itself.

Here in the People's Democratic Socialist Republic, there was no penalty for Baker infringing on a Constitutional civil right which unfortunately is usually the case when politicians try to take away our enshrined 2-A rights.....but with the removal of qualified immunity for public officials that Grisham signed into actual law in April 2021 one is left to wonder...... and hope....... that in this specific case there will be actual personal consequences for her illegal action.

The judge who issued the TRO has been reported as saying:

"The violation of a constitutional right, even for minimal periods of time, unquestionably constitutes irreparable injury," Urias said during the hearing.

My question is if the violation "constitutes irreparable injury" than how will the affected victims be made whole again?

In the Republic those targeted by Baker's order were not made whole in any manner whatsoever. The hope in this specific instance is that Grisham will.......in effect.......be hoisted on her own petard as the saying goes and this unexpected result of her 2021 law signing may just be starting to dawn on her.........and if not her than perhaps on any of her advisors who are capable of fogging up a mirror placed beneath their noses.

In light of the 4420 attempt to slip a completely unconstitutional law over the transom in the wee hours of the night by the Boston house one can be forgiven for the possession of a well-developed skepticism about politicians actually following the Constitution and passing laws that have legal standing within that framework.

The hope is that the combination of 6.......at last count.......lawsuits so quickly filed against her order and the initial court opinion on the order itself will serve to give a modicum of pause to the left-wing legislators in Boston as they try to formulate more infringement on our 2-A rights.........but hope springs eternal even in the minds of old people.

In the cold......harsh...... surgical light of dawn......I sincerely believe that:


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tcarter01 said:
Looks like she's trying to wiggle out of things... Not sure if this matters though. I would think it takes a law to put places off limits and not just some emergency order...

I assume the TRO still stands and this amended nonsense is still under the TRO and unenforceable... But IANAL

www.breitbart.com

NM Gov. Amends Her Order: Applies Only to City Parks, Playgrounds

New Mexico Gov. Michelle Lujan Grisham (D) amended her order Friday so that it applies only to city parks and playgrounds.
www.breitbart.com www.breitbart.com
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She's trying to steer around the court, so I assume she thinks the TRO won't cover this. But I'm wondering why, in that case, she didn't just issue a new order, triggering a new process. I'd think that amending the existing order would still run afoul of the existing TRO, unless she goes to court and argues it. I don't think this "automatically" goes into effect, in other words.
 
Picton said:
She's trying to steer around the court, so I assume she thinks the TRO won't cover this. But I'm wondering why, in that case, she didn't just issue a new order, triggering a new process. I'd think that amending the existing order would still run afoul of the existing TRO, unless she goes to court and argues it. I don't think this "automatically" goes into effect, in other words.
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See the full text of amended order, especially the final paragraph about "court orders":
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Picton said:
She's trying to steer around the court, so I assume she thinks the TRO won't cover this. But I'm wondering why, in that case, she didn't just issue a new order, triggering a new process. I'd think that amending the existing order would still run afoul of the existing TRO, unless she goes to court and argues it. I don't think this "automatically" goes into effect, in other words.
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After gun ban, we must impeach New Mexico's governor or face these consequences

The Democratic governor of New Mexico's gun ban has broken her sworn oath to the constitution. Now, progressives across the country are watching to see if she will get away with it.
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It would appear that she was in desperate need of wanting to interject herself into the political debate on gun control in an effort to gain some degree of relevancy on the national stage........and she has succeeded beyond her wildest hopes and dreams..............unfortunately for her not in a positive manner.

Her attempt at disenfranchising a wide portion of the populace has resulted in an immediate response from the legal side of the 2-A community and even drawn the negative attention of some members of her own party which is no small achievement in its own right.

I remain rather surprised at the quickness of the TRO issuance but perhaps the judge believed that her original order was so incredibly beyond the pale that he felt compelled to rule immediately on the merits of the request for the injunction.

It is my fervent hope that when all the litigational dust has settled there will be solid case law supporting the struggle to maintain 2-A civil rights which legal scholars can draw upon in future defense of this civil right and also that a positive outcome of this case serves to place the authors of future legislative 2-A infringement on notice that our community will respond in force and in a timely manner to any attempts to increase the opportunity for added victimization of decent citizens.
 
Harry Christopher said:
I remain rather surprised at the quickness of the TRO issuance but perhaps the judge believed that her original order was so incredibly beyond the pale that he felt compelled to rule immediately on the merits of the request for the injunction.
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Well... it was.

I am not surprised. Injunctions and TROs often come quickly when there are legitimate and quantifiable Constitutional harms involved. Courts are typically fast to provide relief when the issue is this obvious. I doubt her words in her press conferences helped her case.
 
This Public Health Emergency BS is going to be an avenue to attack 2A for a long time. On its face, no one opposes public health but almost no one construed it to include violence of any kind, nevermind gun violence. Didn't read the NM Public Health statue but obviously too broad if it is going to include shite like this.
 
tcarter01 said:
Looks like she's trying to wiggle out of things... Not sure if this matters though. I would think it takes a law to put places off limits and not just some emergency order...

I assume the TRO still stands and this amended nonsense is still under the TRO and unenforceable... But IANAL
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The TRO is still valid and bans enforcement of the original order. What would typically happen next is that someone willing to represent Grisham should petition the court for modification of the TRO.

The "revised order" isn't as blatantly unconstitutional. "No guns in parks" laws do date back to the 19th century, so whatever judges this lands before will get to cherry pick history to justify their own views on the matter. As for the validity of the emergency order, that's likely a matter of New Mexico law. The legal rationale behind emergency orders is to allow the executive branch to address a crisis by taking actions which would normally require legislative action. So on that basis, calling Albuquerque's crime levels a "public health emergency" seems to fail that test.

But in reality, so-called emergency powers can last and be abused for a very long time while courts stand by and do nothing. Famously, FDR's Executive Order 6102 seizing/stealing monetary gold was justified under a state of emergency dating back to World War I. And the state of emergency declared by G. W. Bush in 2001 has been renewed every year with minor modifications. Biden's justification a couple of weeks ago was, and I quote, "The actions of persons who commit, threaten to commit, or support terrorism continue to pose an unusual and extraordinary threat to the national security, foreign policy, and economy of the United States." How something can remain "unusual and extraordinary" after 22 years, I leave to your own BS detectors.
 
Harry Christopher said:
When I was 7 1/2 years old, I was allowed to drive a Ford 8N tractor during tobacco harvest season and had a very enjoyable time in the process. I would guess that by today's expectations of what is considered correct parental oversight one would be arrested for child abuse
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I think the problem is some parents are competent and others aren't so gov't tries to apply a one size fits all. Look at idiot people like the ones recently running toward a Mom grizzly with her cubs, one of the people was carrying a little kid, pure stupidity. Don't forget about Christopher Bizilj shooting himself with the micro uzi at the Westfield Show, 8 year old never should have been allowed to fire an uncontrollable subgun. Antigun pol, average Mom, book klub Karen see that and yell "For the Kiddies! No evil .22 Marlin for any children"
 
1sern said:
I think the problem is some parents are competent and others aren't so gov't tries to apply a one size fits all. Look at idiot people like the ones recently running toward a Mom grizzly with her cubs, one of the people was carrying a little kid, pure stupidity. Don't forget about Christopher Bizilj shooting himself with the micro uzi at the Westfield Show, 8 year old never should have been allowed to fire an uncontrollable subgun. Antigun pol, average Mom, book klub Karen see that and yell "For the Kiddies! No evil .22 Marlin for any children"
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It appears that the dumbing down of the American citizenry has become a daily staple of the news media these days. People are reported to be acting in a manner that causes one who witnesses it to shake their head in disbelief and wonder what.....if anything......the individual was thinking prior to their undertaking what strikes one as an incredibly ill-advised course of action.

If nothing else......these news reports are prima facie evidence that stupidity is exceptionally resistant to being cured thru the medium of legislative fiat.

Evidently some people seem quite comfortable paddling around the shallow end of the gene pool and see no reason to consider moving to firmer ground.
 
Picton said:
I doubt her words in her press conferences helped her case.
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This brings to mind the old saying that when one finds themself in a hole..........put down the shovel........ and stop digging.

Apparently, Madam Grisham decided after putting her shovel down that her best course of action was to engage the services of a large excavator............ as it would be more efficient than her small shovel in expanding the excavation of her hole.
 
Harry Christopher said:
The question of food shortages may become a prime concern even without a civil disruption thanks to the world class stupidity of the Washington administration. Something else to look forward to:

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It's not stupidity. They're doing it on purpose.

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SpaceCritter said:
It's not stupidity. They're doing it on purpose.

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The Great Reset Megathread

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The way society seems to be falling apart these days I would not be overly surprised that its failure is in fact a planned event.
 
Harry Christopher said:
The way society seems to be falling apart these days I would not be overly surprised that its failure is in fact a planned event.
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...because it IS. And they're quite pleased and proud to TELL you so:

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The Great Reset

"The pandemic represents a rare but narrow window of opportunity to reflect, reimagine, and reset our world" - Professor Klaus Schwab, Founder and Executive Chairman, World Economic Forum.
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This isn't me postulating. And WEF - despite the name - isn't a talking shop of eggheads, it's the wealthiest of the swells deciding how to control the peasants, i.e. US.

I've already discussed this at length, in that linked thread, as well as:
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as have many, MANY others. It's obvious - they're not trying to hide it. Their "media" "spin" it differently, of course, for the Lumpenproletariat.
 
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Lawmakers should convene extraordinary session on crime, whether gov is on board or not

From the Editorial Board: State lawmakers should grow a spine and call an extraordinary session on crime.
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Here is the reality.....Democrats killed 10 crime bills that actually focused on crime.....imagine that.

"It’s worth noting that Democratic majorities in the state House and Senate rejected numerous proposals to fight crime in the 2023 session. House Republicans on Friday issued a call for action on 10 crime bills that were introduced in the recent session by House Republicans, but which were killed by Democratic lawmakers, even though some of those bills had bipartisan support."
 
pdm said:
Eh, the context is lost by the beginning of the altercation being cut out.
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Yep. And none of the articles about it have any meaningful details. No idea whether the shooter was the one who started the altercation and was trying to continue it, started things and was retreating, or was the victim and trying to get away.
 
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