what if your a Mass rez selling to a NH rez?
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It is Federal Law that prohibits FTF transactions between 2 parties that don't live in the same state. An FFL is required for this.
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what if your a Mass rez selling to a NH rez?
It is Federal Law that prohibits FTF transactions between 2 parties that don't live in the same state. An FFL is required for this.
what if your a Mass rez selling to a NH rez?
If its in a non-MA compliant configuration, sell the upper and all the parts to the guy separately and just use the FFL for the transfer of the receiver. End of problem.
What the other guy chooses to do is up to him.
For all you know he may be someone who is allowed to possess a non-compliant firearm.
It is Federal Law that prohibits FTF transactions between 2 parties that don't live in the same state. An FFL is required for this.
Whacko - an example of the use of the "register" are as follows:
1) you buy a long gun from a NH dealer, then when you bring it into MA you "register" it.
2) you have a weekend home in NH and buy either a long gun or a hand gun in NH in a private sale in NH while you are up there for the weekend. (perfectly legal, the feds are very clear about this) You would file a FA10 if you chose to bring it into MA.
I was told by a worker at a NH FFL that since i'm a Mass Rez and he being a NH rez that we could just do a Bill of sale. I didnt go that route...
Thanks i'm glad i didnt listen to him and do things the way i thought.
Just recently purchased a rifle private sale from a friend.......he lives 8 miles from me but because there is a state border between us I end up pending $35 on a transfer fee at a dealer. Such stupid shit we deal with. But after doing the transfer.......I am realizing that the FFLs probably like this federal law......he made $35 off me for making a phone call!
Just recently purchased a rifle private sale from a friend.......he lives 8 miles from me but because there is a state border between us I end up pending $35 on a transfer fee at a dealer. Such stupid shit we deal with. But after doing the transfer.......I am realizing that the FFLs probably like this federal law......he made $35 off me for making a phone call!
Who charges $35 for a single transfer?? Out the FFL!!
Who charges only $20 buck In MA ?
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Just recently purchased a rifle private sale from a friend.......he lives 8 miles from me but because there is a state border between us I end up pending $35 on a transfer fee at a dealer. Such stupid shit we deal with. But after doing the transfer.......I am realizing that the FFLs probably like this federal law......he made $35 off me for making a phone call!
Just recently purchased a rifle private sale from a friend.......he lives 8 miles from me but because there is a state border between us I end up pending $35 on a transfer fee at a dealer. Such stupid shit we deal with. But after doing the transfer.......I am realizing that the FFLs probably like this federal law......he made $35 off me for making a phone call!
Why didn't you just transfer it via an NH dealer? There are tons of them that have cheap-er transfers, you just need to call around a bit.
-Mike
I guess you don't really understand what an FFL does. I'll type slow, so you can follow along.
$35 is cheap.
he didn't just make a phone call. He made the call.
Then he did a 3 page form 4473 with you.
Then he booked it in. Then he booked it out.
I can only speak to CT where with the state DPS3 and DPS67 as well as the ATF4473, NICS check, booking it in, then booking it out,, it ends up being 3/4 of a man hours worth of time. I believe the FA10 is quicker than the DPS3 but you get my point.
Its not a phone call and done.
Because I'm the one taking possession and am from mass......thought it had to be at an FFL in the state of the purchaser......is that correct or could I have done it in NH?
OK I though both long and handguns had to be a the buyers states ffl. Doesn't matter anyway the place I used is on my way home.....litteraly derive by it every day. But good to know for future reference.IIRC with a long gun, either state should be ok. With a handgun, it must be the buyer's state.
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OK I though both long and handguns had to be a the buyers states ffl. Doesn't matter anyway the place I used is on my way home.....litteraly derive by it every day. But good to know for future reference.
Just remember that if you're buying any gun from a non-resident and doing the transfer at a MA FFL, that if your seller doesn't have a MA Non-Res LTC you should meet them at the border (on the NH side) and take possession of the gun(s). Then you both drive to the MA FFL and get it done.
For long guns I'd just do it all at a NH FFL.
Well the only point I get is you are kind of being a bit of a jackass in your second sentence there. Yes I know he has to book it as well. Took him about a total of 20 minutes.........and btw the guy I went it I sort of consider a friend.....he's good people. My point stands I think......they get quite a bit of business that doesn't even require inventory or marketing.......because of the federal law. Please don't insult me again. Thank you.
OK I though both long and handguns had to be a the buyers states ffl. Doesn't matter anyway the place I used is on my way home.....litteraly derive by it every day. But good to know for future reference.
My point is that you don't seem to understand the law and what is required of the dealer. It doesn't take 20 minutes, when you figure the things that happen after you leave. If you figure in audits and quarterly reviews of the A&D book it adds more time.
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Here you show that you don't really know the law.
I was just trying to provide information, not insult you.
Well the only point I get is you are kind of being a bit of a jackass in your second sentence there. Yes I know he has to book it as well. Took him about a total of 20 minutes.........and btw the guy I went it I sort of consider a friend.....he's good people. My point stands I think......they get quite a bit of business that doesn't even require inventory or marketing.......because of the federal law. Please don't insult me again. Thank you.
My point is that you don't seem to understand the law and what is required of the dealer. It doesn't take 20 minutes, when you figure the things that happen after you leave. If you figure in audits and quarterly reviews of the A&D book it adds more time.
Just remember that if you're buying any gun from a non-resident and doing the transfer at a MA FFL, that if your seller doesn't have a MA Non-Res LTC you should meet them at the border (on the NH side) and take possession of the gun(s). Then you both drive to the MA FFL and get it done.
NOTE: I am not a gun dealer, never have been and have never worked for one. I do hold a C&R FFL which is barely relevant to what I'm about to state.
To the above:
- There is a "risk" inherent to every transaction, as FFLs are subject to audit by Feds (and maybe state). ANY error, not spelling something out completely, etc. can have repercussions including fines and loss of FFL/state license.
- As Don says, there is always paperwork after the transaction that you and I do not see and there is a time deadline to get it done to meet Fed laws/rules (this can be a real issue for busy shops).
- The MA dealer also has to file MA paperwork, purchase and maintain a computer system that is "authorized" by FRB to meet their requirements, etc.
- A business has an intent to make money for work performed, so a profit margin must be in the calculation as well.
Now I'll relate it to my business as a Constable. I frequently am requested to serve legal notices to 2 or more people at the same address. Some expect me to do the 2nd, 3rd, etc. notice for free since I'm already there.
- The pre-work in my case prior to going out and serving the paper probably averages 15 minutes and the post-work takes another 10-15 minutes (there are incremental increases for additional papers/people served) plus a trip to the USPO to Mail. Client never sees this. For out-of-state papers the post work adds an additional 30 minutes (and mileage) getting it Notarized at the bank.
- I have a legal liability for every paper I serve, up to the amount of the actual lawsuit. So each Affidavit of Service filled out carries full liability. Much like the BATFE audits, even if I do everything right, if someone questions something I can be Subpoenaed to testify, thus wasting a day of my time with no payment (reality as Witness Fee is a joke, $6/day for MA courts).
- Although I reduce my fee for those 2nd, 3rd, etc. papers, I can't afford to do them for free. If you are transferring multiple guns, it is fair to ask for a reduced fee (some will do this) for the additional guns on the same basis.
NOT legally required assuming a couple of things, there is an exemption in MGL for NRs wrt SOME long guns (ONLY):
- Long gun MUST be a low-capacity long gun.
- Person must be legal to possess said gun in his home state.
- Read MGL C. 140 S. 129C (p) for the future.
FWIW I was not bitching about the fee charged by the dealer. He gets a piece of if and has to charge what he does to make a profit......I have no issue with that at all. My original post was really complaining the law even exists that makes me bring the rifle to an FFL in the first place.
LENs you are in a business due partly from regulations that require a constible (from what I know about Constibles anyway). What do you think about the FFLs opinion of the law requiring an FFL be involved in an interstate private sale? Do they like it and benefit from it similar to your business?
Disclaimer::::::not saying an FFL or you as a constable are "leeching" from a system........just seriously asking the question for educational purposes.
Because I'm the one taking possession and am from mass......thought it had to be at an FFL in the state of the purchaser......is that correct or could I have done it in NH?