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NH resident selling to MA resident
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Golddiggie
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FFL is required for different state sales (NH to MA in this case). It's easy if a long gun. If it's a pistol, you need to make sure it's on the MA approved list, then locate a FFL that is willing to do the transfer for you. If you don't have a MA LTC, you'll need to do the transaction on this side of the fence.
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ntomsw
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You could just drop the gun off at your FFL in NH, and have them ship it to his FFL in MA. As long as it's on the MA roster. (AWB configured) You could meet up beforehand for him to inspect it, etc. Then if he likes it, ship it to his chosen FFL.
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You could go to a NH FFL with the buyer and transfer it there, since it's a rifle not a pistol. That said, if the rifle is in "free america" configuration then the dealer isn't supposed to transfer it since it would violate the MA AWB. The dealer may or may not know about that rule, or care, and your buyer may or may not know or care. YMMV, IANAL.
ntomsw
Banned
Yeah, this would work too.
if it has assault weapon ban features then it would need to be made Mass compliant first. then any willing ffl can do the transfer.
nevermind ...
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dcmdon
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If its in a non-MA compliant configuration, sell the upper and all the parts to the guy separately and just use the FFL for the transfer of the receiver. End of problem.
What the other guy chooses to do is up to him.
For all you know he may be someone who is allowed to possess a non-compliant firearm.
What the other guy chooses to do is up to him.
For all you know he may be someone who is allowed to possess a non-compliant firearm.
Kisspik002
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Many NH FFL's near the MA border know better than to transfer rifles with EVIL features and will not do so. Many NH FFL's farther north might be a different story
Does anyone know what "evil features" are not allowed in MA? Im looking to pick up an AK from NH and wondering what I need to look for in order to have it legally transferred.
if it helps i believe this is it: http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/...+AK-47+Semi-Auto+7.62mmX39mm+16.5"+30+1+Blk+S
if it helps i believe this is it: http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/...+AK-47+Semi-Auto+7.62mmX39mm+16.5"+30+1+Blk+S
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sticky #2 in this section, Mass Laws
http://www.northeastshooters.com/vbulletin/threads/157704-MA-Assault-Weapons-Ban-quot-AWB-quot-FAQ
dcmdon
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jHagan,
Read the link above. But the bottom line is that any semi-automatic rifle fed by a detachable magazine can not have ANY of the following:
1) Folding or Telescoping stock. (you are ok here)
2) A bayonet lug (you look ok here too)
3) A flash hider (doesn't look good)
4) A threaded barrel (doesn't look good)
You could have it shipped to a dealer/gunsmith and have them permanently affix a muzzle brake. Then it would be ok. There seems to be some disagreement in this community about whether or not a MA dealer could take in a non-compliant gun for conversion.
But if you had a NH, CT, or RI dealer/gunsmith do it, you eliminate that argument altogether. Then you go to that out of state dealer for a legal transfer to you.
This is how you could do it and remain within all state and federal laws. However, whether its worth the extra money and effort is up to you.
Read the link above. But the bottom line is that any semi-automatic rifle fed by a detachable magazine can not have ANY of the following:
1) Folding or Telescoping stock. (you are ok here)
2) A bayonet lug (you look ok here too)
3) A flash hider (doesn't look good)
4) A threaded barrel (doesn't look good)
You could have it shipped to a dealer/gunsmith and have them permanently affix a muzzle brake. Then it would be ok. There seems to be some disagreement in this community about whether or not a MA dealer could take in a non-compliant gun for conversion.
But if you had a NH, CT, or RI dealer/gunsmith do it, you eliminate that argument altogether. Then you go to that out of state dealer for a legal transfer to you.
This is how you could do it and remain within all state and federal laws. However, whether its worth the extra money and effort is up to you.
That would be a straw purchase. The first question on the 4473 form is:
Your relative would be buying the gun on your behalf, and thus committing a federal felony.
I'm pretty much asking the same thing as the guy above me. If I paid for the gun and had an ffl in NH perform the muzzle break weld before I took possession would that work? Second does anyone know of an ffl/smith in NH that would perform the work? (They could make a little cash out of the venture as there is a pretty healthy demand here in MA for such a service.)
That's different, because there is no intermediary person in the middle. So that would not be a straw purchase.
OK. What about buying it from an ffl and then leaving it at a friend's in NH while I find a smith to perform the conversion?
Essentially, how long do I have to register the gun in MA before there's an issue if I haven't brought it into the state? And is it breaking a law that I own a gun that is non compliant with the AWB even though it will never be in MA in that configuration?
Essentially, how long do I have to register the gun in MA before there's an issue if I haven't brought it into the state? And is it breaking a law that I own a gun that is non compliant with the AWB even though it will never be in MA in that configuration?
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The GOAL website has alot of information about this topic - http://www.goal.org/masslawpages/awfacts.html
I've purchased rifles in NH before and printed out a copy of this in case questions came up about transfers etc.. The GOAL site used to have this info in a simple, easy to read table, but I can't find it right now.
ETA: The GOAL info is only a guideline - "Caution: this information is intended as a guide only and should not be construed as legal advice."
I've purchased rifles in NH before and printed out a copy of this in case questions came up about transfers etc.. The GOAL site used to have this info in a simple, easy to read table, but I can't find it right now.
ETA: The GOAL info is only a guideline - "Caution: this information is intended as a guide only and should not be construed as legal advice."
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Perfectly fine if the FFL will do it (they aren't supposed to according to Fed Law, but that is their problem not yours). You must register anything you bring into MA within 7 days of CROSSING the border the 1st time! So if it sits there for years, no harm, no foul. When you do, just read the instructions HERE ON NES carefully about registration and IGNORE the instructions which are purposefully INCORRECT on the e-FA10 website!
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As for relying on info on the GOAL website for legal info w/o verifying it in the statutes, that is NOT something I would do when the next 10 years of my life are at stake. I've already noted a few substantial errors in their info, one of which can get you 10 years all expense paid vacation in our gulags and PP status when they release you. Rely on websites for links to the state websites and verify for yourself!
dcmdon
NES Member
The FFL should not transfer a gun to you unless it complies with the laws of your home state.
If you wanted to be totally in compliance with all laws, which is probably a good thing. I'd suggest the following.
You buy the gun from the dealer, but he does not transfer it to you. (Remember there is a difference between financial ownership and possession) Then the dealer holds it for you while you find a smith to do the work. Dealer ships it to the smith when you find one. Smith does the work and does the transfer to you when he is done.
Like Len said, once its in your name there is no rush in getting it into MA. Just when you do bring it into MA, do a FA10 and you are squeaky clean.
Don
p.s. ***LEN** - do you see any problems with shipping a non-compliant gun to a MA gunsmith for the work?
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Don, no in fact FFLs can possess all sorts of evil new AWs and new large-cap mags.
dcmdon
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Thanks. I was 95% sure that was the case. But 95% isn't good enough when it comes to something like this.
Reliving an old thread. Lots of good info here......what if someone from mass wanted to buy a bolt action 5 round cap (obviously not AWB) from a NH resident......can they purchase private sale and transfer on an EFA10? The EFA10 site has a spot there on "Register" and states registration for rifle purchased in another state.
NO. Private sales between individuals of different states must go through an FFL. You could transfer it at a NH FFL and then you'd have to fill out a FA-10 when you bring it back in to MA. In that case yes you would use the registration box, dealer/seller info is left blank for such a situation.
All that said, given what is going on these days you should think carefully about whether or not you want to file the FA-10. IANAL YMMV OMGWTFBBQ.
It is Federal Law that prohibits FTF transactions between 2 parties that don't live in the same state. An FFL is required for this.
dcmdon
NES Member
Whacko - an example of the use of the "register" are as follows:
1) you buy a long gun from a NH dealer, then when you bring it into MA you "register" it.
2) you have a weekend home in NH and buy either a long gun or a hand gun in NH in a private sale in NH while you are up there for the weekend. (perfectly legal, the feds are very clear about this) You would file a FA10 if you chose to bring it into MA.
mikelawtown
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what if your a Mass rez selling to a NH rez?
