I think you are being entirely too forgiving of unacceptable behavior.
We'll have to agree to disagree.
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I think you are being entirely too forgiving of unacceptable behavior.
Already tried and failed by attorney Karen MacNutt.
The test is BS, why does Mumbles not see that the other 350 cities and towns in our state don't have this requirement and they are far safer then Boston? He loves control and thinks us law abiding folk are the cause for lil Tyrone becoming a gang member.
The test works at keeping Boston residents from geting their LTCs, I know a few people that would get the license if it wasn't for that. I wonder if Menino sleeps good at night knowing how hard he is making it for old ladies to defend themselves.
Are you defending the test or nitpicking a "fact"?
87 was a quarter century ago. In more than one circle, that's considered antique.
I don't think that Mumbles is as stupid as he looks/acts. His objective is to keep the minions subservient to the governing class. I don't think that he really believes that the test and all the other BS actually improves safety in the community in any way, shape or manner.
He should get an academy award for keeping in character all these years then...I don't think that Mumbles is as stupid as he looks/acts. His objective is to keep the minions subservient to the governing class. I don't think that he really believes that the test and all the other BS actually improves safety in the community in any way, shape or manner.
He should get an academy award for keeping in character all these years then...
There is clearly an organization behind him. He just isn't all that bright...
Yup, Karen tried, failed and them passed "the damned test" (her words not mine) anyway.Already tried and failed by attorney Karen MacNutt.
Reading between the "line" there, I think claiming that only able bodied men of militia age are entitled to 2A protection would go over like a sack of bricks at this point. It would actually be a little entertaining to watch Justice Breyer try to make that argument.After the 7th circuit rule in our favor that gaining and maintaining proficiency was core to the 2A right we don't really want to swim in the other direction.
So, you believe that if Commissioner Davis went to Menino and said "these policies are ridiculous, they waste our time, they waste their time and they accomplish nothing," that Mumbles would fight him on it?Mmmm....smell the cop hate! Again, some here have blamed the cops (and the revolvers) for the stupid licensing regulations imposed by the City. Good move!
Mmmm....smell the cop hate! Again, some here have blamed the cops (and the revolvers) for the stupid licensing regulations imposed by the City. Good move!
...Regardless about how one feels about this requirement, it's a poor reason NOT to get a license in Boston.
For the vast majority of Bostonians that's true. For someone whose trigger fingers are deformed from arthritis and no longer bend, it's not really a choice.
We had a really nice lady come into the club a week or so ago who had recently purchased a Sig .380 (Colt Mustang clone. Not the gun I would have sold her, but that's beside the point.) Her arthritis was so bad that she had to use two fingers on the trigger and even then she had a hard time holding black long enough before the pain became unbearable for her. Her maximum accurate distance was no more than 20 feet or so (and even those were some pretty wide groups.)
I have no doubt that she would never be able to pass the Moon Island test. It's a good thing she doesn't live in Boston, where she would be completely helpless thanks to the BPD CoP.
Progressive politics - making those less fortunate completely powerless by design... Winning! [sad2]And consider that in order to keep her guns, she'll be required to retest on a January morning six years later, when her disease will inevitably be worse. Why would she even bother now?
She will not be in the denominator of the "see the test is soooo easy" pass ratio because she was disenfranchised from even trying.
Mmmm....smell the cop hate! Again, some here have blamed the cops (and the revolvers) for the stupid licensing regulations imposed by the City. Good move!
The Boston range test pre-dates the Menino administration by a long margin. That they still have this requirement is probably as much about institutional inertia as anything else. Regardless about how one feels about this requirement, it's a poor reason NOT to get a license in Boston.
While suitability is still alive an kicking it would be very hard and probably pointless to challenge the requirement. The one area where one might be able to make a case is with an ADA complaint by someone who was actually unable to use the BPD revolvers but was able to demonstrate proficiency with other types of handguns. Even then, I'm not convinced they wouldn't somehow make an exception. It's not an attractive fight for the city. They could easily make an accommodation AND still keep the test.
Ezell also complicates things for someone wanting to challenge a range membership or proficiency standard requirement. After the 7th circuit rule in our favor that gaining and maintaining proficiency was core to the 2A right we don't really want to swim in the other direction.
Seriously????????? Are we reading the same thread??????? I think everyone here is agreeing that this particular regulation is discriminatory. I blame the folks that made these rules and allow them to continue. And they're not all LEO's. But since the LEO's are the ones that enforce the regulations, they become the bad guys by association. I personally, don't hate on any group as a whole. I try to judge people as individuals. And I don't think I ever implied in my posts that this was any one groups fault. My 'hate' on the revolvers are because I have to take this test to begin with. And this 'test' shouldn't exist. The test is unfair to many. I found the LEO's at Moon Island to be an awesome group of guys just like all my other LEO friends.
Seriously??????
... Basically the way it stands now, anyone with a "working for a douchebag" job (and there are tons of them out there) that gets no vacation, has to get fired in order to take the moon island test.
Lol. Apparently when off-duty they hang out with most of the other members of NES......Then they need to man up... I have not seen them at the state-house testifying to the public safety committee that these laws and regulations are garbage.
Fair enough, I'd sure like to see more NES members at the state-house as well. Those NES members did not sign up to protect and serve their community by virtue of joining NES.Lol. Apparently when off-duty they hang out with most of the other members of NES......
Fair enough, I'd sure like to see more NES members at the state-house as well. Those NES members did not sign up to protect and serve their community by virtue of joining NES.
Doesn't change the fact that the buck stops with buck stops with the Boston PD on a great many of the specific details that make moon island ridiculous and they have the ear of any politicos they would need to bend to get rid of that policy all together. As such, if it exists, they want it to and the blame falls on their shoulders.
As they say, "Ignorance of the law is no excuse."I'd bet most of the rank and file BPD aren't even aware of the range requirement. It doesn't really affect them personally.