Missouri is sounding better every day.
Missouri Senate Bans All Federal Gun Control Laws in Proposed Bill
Missouri Senate Bans All Federal Gun Control Laws in Proposed Bill
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Not out of the woods yet, but a good start.It passed the Senate today by a vote of 29-4. If passed by the House, it will be entered on the ballot for Missouri voters’ approval this fall.
My question exactly.Can anyone explain to me how this is anything but a symbolic gesture? Saying that the laws don't apply does not magically stop the feds from sending jackboots to your house and dragging you off to federal prison. Are the missouri state police going to break you out, or perhaps defend you from the feds beforehand? Maybe they will arrest all the feds for holding you prisoner? Will they have a presence at gun stores who are selling SBR's and machineguns with no NFA paperwork to make sure the ATF stays away?
Let the feds try to enforce. If Missouri stands by its word, then the state police will back the state and not help the feds. Are people getting arrested in MA for marijuana possession?
Bottom line is the feds dont have anywhere the manpower to enforce their laws everywhere and at all times. If youre unfortunate enough to be in possession of an mg with no papers when federal agents show up at your door or pull you over then yeah youre screwed, but how often does that happen vs state and local doing the same?
Per the article:Do you seriously believe that the ATF would not be kicking down doors 5 minutes after hearing that a store in missouri was selling new manufactured MG's or SBRs/supressors without NFA paperwork? This is not something they would ignore. Perhaps a few backwoods machineguns get ignored because they can't be everywhere, but that is no different from now.
Per the article:
"...make enforcement of those laws by federal officers within the State of Missouri a criminal offense"
So you're saying the federal govt will send out of state officials to do this work? Not a chance dude.
That is exactly what Missouri is saying. It will hold up.No, I'm saying that they will send ATF officers to arrest those people, and should there be an ATF officer arrested (So doubtful as to be ridiculous) that a federal court would tell the state to go to hell and there is no way it would stick.
right. so theoretically they could also do the same for federal income taxes, like up yours, our state citizens aren't payin' no stinkin' federal taxes.Holy crap, this is Yuge!
That is exactly what Missouri is saying. It will hold up.
Again, from the article:
But will it hold up in a federal court?
Yes. The bill’s main provision calling on the entire state to cease enforcing federal gun control measures stands on solid legal ground under the anti-commandeering doctrine. Court precedent from 1842 to 2012 stipulates that the feds simply cannot require a state to help them violate your Constitutional rights, and allows states the power to refuse to enforce such federal laws it deems unConstitutional. Besides, the feds simply don’t have the manpower to do it at the state level without the assistance and partnership of state and local agencies.
That's exactly why Texas keeps threatening to secede. If you get outside the true blue states you find people are kind of sick of the feds all up in their business.right. so theoretically they could also do the same for federal income taxes, like up yours, our state citizens aren't payin' no stinkin' federal taxes.
Look, I would love to see this be a real thing but it seems sketchy. They may have trouble with enforcing things without local help, but it is not impossible especially in the case that they want to make a point. They can and would pull some guys to get enough to raid and shut down the guy selling new machineguns. That guy would go to a federal court, where he would be convicted and the state would stand by wanting it happen. We saw this with kansas, they didn't stop anyone from enforcing federal law, neither would the missouri state police. Or do you really think they would go out and attempt to arrest federal officers enforcing valid federal law?
They are setting someone up for a big fall, and when it happens we have seen in the past legislators acting like the whole thing was a joke and why would you have relied on that to break federal law? They are virtue signaling, and while I like the message I just feel like we should be real here about the consequences of expecting this law to shield you from the feds. The ATF ignores some stuff, but this is a slap in the face to the feds and I don't see them just ignoring it like they do with pot.
right. so theoretically they could also do the same for federal income taxes, like up yours, our state citizens aren't payin' no stinkin' federal taxes.
A buddy brought this up to me yesterday. I proposed the same concerns about this as many of you have also. Even if it passes, I highly doubt I can just build up some sketchy (but legal) machine gun, or head down to black rifle with cash in hand and walk out with a suppressor. Taking the wording from this bill, it would seem like I could do just that, but I don't think thats gonna exactly play out like it does in my fantasy land dream world.
I keep saying MO is the best kept secret going, shhhhhhhh don't tell anyone, we don't want you guys moving here and F'n it up for the rest of us. Besides, it gets 100+ degrees every year, you guys couldn't hack it.
My wife's kin live in southern MO in the Ozarks...we've visited there a few times and heading out there again in July for a few weeks. We really like it and I don't mind the heat. The winters can be kind of wonky but shorter than here in NH. Fishing/hunting and hiking is wonderful out there. We really don't want to move because our kids and grandkids are all here in NH but from a purely economical and freedoms standpoint, we may have no real choice. Living in NH as a retired person, as I will be in 4 years is damned expensive unless you don't have a mortgage which I will for the rest of my life.