Massachusetts Politicians State of Mind

[JonJ]

Last week MA AG Martha Coakley was on WTKK with Jim Brody. They were discussing the father who protected his young son from the sexual predator. Martha went on to say the the police should have been called and "We really discourage people from self help"
If that doesn't sum up the political thinking in this state, nothing does.
How shameful.
Don't hold your breath on the AG ever taking away the firearm "consumer protections". And this is a good look at the next Gov of Massachusetts.
Here's a link to the audio with commentary from Jay Severin:
http://wtkk.everyzing.com/viewMedia...-pod_wtkk-ep&q="attorney+general"&match=QUERY

 

[Raoul Duke]

Well, Ms. Coakley can kindly go F4ck a donkey for all I care. There's a special place (against the wall) for people like her in my fantasies.

 

[Len-2A Training]

That's what I've actually been told by a DA as well.

 

[Raoul Duke]

I believe you're referring to JohnJ's mention of Ms. Coakley's position wrt fighting back....

.....But if you were referring to either of my statements...well, that would just be a riot.

 

[Len-2A Training]

I believe you're referring to JohnJ's mention of Ms. Coakley's position wrt fighting back....

.....But if you were referring to either of my statements...well, that would just be a riot.

Thanks for the great laugh, +1 Rep point!

I was referring to JonJ's post, not yours.

 

[EddieCoyle]

I heard that and almost drove off the road. She is absolutely insane.

 

[JRyan]

I heard that and almost drove off the road. She is absolutely insane.

You know, we got these audio books of little house in the big woods and little house on the prairie for the kids on the ride home from Maine (6 hour drive). Of course, this meant I was listening to them too. The thing that really struck me was how far we have fallen from the days when you were free to hunt your own food - to a time when I have to pay a friggin tax every year because I own a dog or they take me off the voting rolls. When Pa Ingles thought there was danger he grabbed his loaded gun from above the mantle. I'm pretty sure he didn't have to pay 100$ for a license or ask anyone's permission. These stories were apparently based on Laura Ingles Wilder's actually childhood recollections.

Coakley and ilk are the types that brought us to this very low place. Words cannot express my disgust for her position.

 

[RKG]

Some might think that the title of this thread states a contradiction in terms.

 

[drumenigma]

Well, Ms. Coakley can kindly go F4ck a donkey for all I care. There's a special place (against the wall) for people like her in my fantasies.

I wonder if we can find a taxidermist that would be OK with stuffing the AG.

 

[FunYun]

When I heard Jay play that bit, I was like..

With an attitude like that, I hope she gets some bad 'self help' karma in return.

 

[O/U]

Well, Ms. Coakley can kindly go F4ck a donkey for all I care. There's a special place (against the wall) for people like her in my fantasies.

I can only guess at what you're implying with the "against the wall" comment, but I find it extremely disturbing.

No wonder pro-gun people get a bad rap with comments like this in public forums. I'm ashamed to be associated with this kind of sentiment, and would like to surrender my membership to NES if this isn't moderated.

I have no interest in paying to belong to a community that regards this as an ok thing to say on a public message board.

 

[BOBKATT]

I hope that they don't remove the comment. Take a hike.

 

[jhblaze1]

I can only guess at what you're implying with the "against the wall" comment, but I find it extremely disturbing.

No wonder pro-gun people get a bad rap with comments like this in public forums. I'm ashamed to be associated with this kind of sentiment, and would like to surrender my membership to NES if this isn't moderated.

I have no interest in paying to belong to a community that regards this as an ok thing to say on a public message board.

Please tell me you're not serious....

 

[calsdad]

When I was younger I used to wrack my brain trying to understand the logic of people like Ms. Coakley. Now they just piss me off. The worst part about her statement isn't necessarily the fact that she said that MA discourages people "helping themselves" - it's that fact, combined with the fact that if for instance the father in the bathroom groping case had not helped his son - he likely would have been charged with child endangerment.

This is the complete nonsense I used to try to reconcile when I was younger - over the years I have realized that the law just makes no sense at all, so I have less and less respect for the law as I get older. I try to obey what I believe is moral and just - and screw what "the law" says. So the net effect of the laws enacted and enforced by people like Ms. Coakley is not a more law abiding and just society - but the exact opposite: people who have no respect for the law at all. Because "the law" makes no sense to most people.

If you are a moral and good person this total disrespect for the law doesn't and should not translate into bad behavior - it just means the written laws of the state - and maybe the country don't regulate your behavior. For people who have no moral compass - this ends up meaning that anything goes. In the end we all end up worse off.

So the end result of the Ms. Coakleys of the world is not a better society - but one that falls completely to shit sooner or later, or one that functions ok - but is saddled with the huge burden of a legal system that is nothing more than a leech on society because it hinders the good people and doesn't do anything to keep the bad people in check - hey - wait a minute, that's what we have here in MA! Dammit - this is all making sense now

 

[BOBKATT]

When I was younger I used to wrack my brain trying to understand the logic of people like Ms. Coakley. Now they just piss me off. The worst part about her statement isn't necessarily the fact that she said that MA discourages people "helping themselves" - it's that fact, combined with the fact that if for instance the father in the bathroom groping case had not helped his son - he likely would have been charged with child endangerment.

This is the complete nonsense I used to try to reconcile when I was younger - over the years I have realized that the law just makes no sense at all, so I have less and less respect for the law as I get older. I try to obey what I believe is moral and just - and screw what "the law" says. So the net effect of the laws enacted and enforced by people like Ms. Coakley is not a more law abiding and just society - but the exact opposite: people who have no respect for the law at all. Because "the law" makes no sense to most people.

If you are a moral and good person this total disrespect for the law doesn't and should not translate into bad behavior - it just means the written laws of the state - and maybe the country don't regulate your behavior. For people who have no moral compass - this ends up meaning that anything goes. In the end we all end up worse off.

So the end result of the Ms. Coakleys of the world is not a better society - but one that falls completely to shit sooner or later, or one that functions ok - but is saddled with the huge burden of a legal system that is nothing more than a leech on society because it hinders the good people and doesn't do anything to keep the bad people in check - hey - wait a minute, that's what we have here in MA! Dammit - this is all making sense now

Really good points here, I feel this exact way. It's just sad isn't it. The end result is that the good citizens are lumped up into the same cauldron as the scumbags, sooner or later there will be no benefit in being good.

 

[FunYun]

I can only guess at what you're implying with the "against the wall" comment, but I find it extremely disturbing.

No wonder pro-gun people get a bad rap with comments like this in public forums. I'm ashamed to be associated with this kind of sentiment, and would like to surrender my membership to NES if this isn't moderated.

I have no interest in paying to belong to a community that regards this as an ok thing to say on a public message board.

I find your lack of disturbance at Coakley's retardedness disturbing.

Not to mention, how often is the crap against the gun community actualy based on members of that community and not criminals? Most of the time its a flat out lie.

 

[Raoul Duke]

OK, so you're "simple," I'll make it clearer for you.

1. "Against the wall" generally refers to execution by firing squad.

2. "ATW implies organized revolution as opposed to vigilante (singular) violence

3. The word "fantasy" generally implies imagination, not concrete plans

4. ATW is generally euphemism for a "when I am king" scenario, a fantasy that most every human being has entertained at one point or another.

5. No one requested your presence or association. Nor is it discouraged. Your departure is neither here nor there so please yourself.

While I respect your right to disagree vociferously with my tongue and cheek comments, I would defend your right to make such embarrassing statements with my life. You, on the other hand, waste not a second in reaching for the first resort of all weak individuals-censorship.

I'm sorry you feel this way, truly, now hush while the adults talk.


EDIT. In case you need further examples of the phrase "Up Against The Wall" in popular culture ( a fantasy context) here are two that come to mind.

Radiohead's Paranoid Android "When I am king you will be first against the wall"
Pink Floyd's, The Wall: There's one in the spotlight, he don't look right to me, get him up against the wall."

 

[The Goose]

I heard Jay’s show that day and like others I found Martha Coakley’s comments extremely disturbing. As citizens all that we have is “self help”. It is not the mandate of the police to protect the individual citizen and even if it were it would be a physical impossibility. When we or our loved ones become (potential)victims we are almost always alone, that is, not accompanied by a LEO. That is just the way that it is and I accept that. People rarely get raped, killed, assaulted or robbed in the presence of a LEO. So since Ms. Coakley has no intention of actually directly protecting me or my loved ones it is incredibly hypocritical to then say “We really discourage people from self help".

However, what I find even worse is her inability to do the job that she is charged with. She did not even know about the case and certainly sounded like she could care less. I have come to believe that at the administrative level people like Ms. Coakley just do not want any messy situations. Better that the 4 year old and his father be total and complete victims then to have the “messiness” of “self help”. The bureaucrats and administrators would just like us to completely lay down and stop gumming up the works. They want us to learn to be good lamb victims so that they can then demonstrate appropriate outrage, get a few good sound bites in about protecting the children, let a little time pass and then let some judge release the dirt bag perpetrator. No fuss, no mess. We are all just supposed to play our part. Me thinks the doo doo is truly rising in this state!

 

[Coyote33]

...This is the complete nonsense I used to try to reconcile when I was younger - over the years I have realized that the law just makes no sense at all, so I have less and less respect for the law as I get older. I try to obey what I believe is moral and just - and screw what "the law" says. So the net effect of the laws enacted and enforced by people like Ms. Coakley is not a more law abiding and just society - but the exact opposite: people who have no respect for the law at all. Because "the law" makes no sense to most people.

If you are a moral and good person this total disrespect for the law doesn't and should not translate into bad behavior - it just means the written laws of the state - and maybe the country don't regulate your behavior. For people who have no moral compass - this ends up meaning that anything goes. In the end we all end up worse off.

So the end result of the Ms. Coakleys of the world is not a better society - but one that falls completely to shit sooner or later, or one that functions ok - but is saddled with the huge burden of a legal system that is nothing more than a leech on society because it hinders the good people and doesn't do anything to keep the bad people in check - hey - wait a minute, that's what we have here in MA! Dammit - this is all making sense now

See my post #15 here: http://www.northeastshooters.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=526385&posted=1#post526385

 

[calsdad]

See my post #15 here: http://www.northeastshooters.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=526385&posted=1#post526385

Sounds like pretty much the same sentiments I was trying to express - at least I am not the only one who feels this way.

After wondering, watching, researching, and trying to make sense of this liberal crap for years I have to a most unsavory conclusion:

f*** it.

If the liberals want to drive society into the ground - let them. I don't think they know what they are in for. They have a vague notion that the govt. will save them. It won't. Tyrannical governments always fail. And ours is closer to failure than most people think (in my opinion). When the shit hits the fan the people who are prepared will survive will survive - and the people who thought the govt. would save them are going to find themselves sorely disappointed. I do not believe that the majority of people are as liberal as the left would have you believe. Most people just want to take care of their own business and be left alone. It is a small majority of left leaning people in this country who do all the whining and make a lot of noise - and get themselves into office. Like a virus that starts to affect the host's health - they need to have the white blood cells loosed on them. If the body thinks it is healthy - nothing happens. It's only when the disease starts to threaten the host that measures are taken. When the SHTF I think libtards will find themselves in deep doo doo as their failures become more and more evident.

 

[kendall-op]

I heard the A.G. comments on the Jim and Margery show yesterday and thought in somes States she would be impeached, but in MA. you get elected Governor.

 

[JRyan]

I can only guess at what you're implying with the "against the wall" comment, but I find it extremely disturbing.

No wonder pro-gun people get a bad rap with comments like this in public forums. I'm ashamed to be associated with this kind of sentiment, and would like to surrender my membership to NES if this isn't moderated.

I have no interest in paying to belong to a community that regards this as an ok thing to say on a public message board.

Good grief.

 

[ateamrob]

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I can only guess at what you're implying with the "against the wall" comment, but I find it extremely disturbing.

No wonder pro-gun people get a bad rap with comments like this in public forums. I'm ashamed to be associated with this kind of sentiment, and would like to surrender my membership to NES if this isn't moderated.

I have no interest in paying to belong to a community that regards this as an ok thing to say on a public message board.

give me a beak....

the dumb bimbo deserves that kind of talk after those stupid comments regarding a father protecting his kid from a dirt bag kiddy porn piece of trash like him. If I was the father and that dumb bimbo said that I took the wrong action, I would say worse than that about her....

"Up against the wall" I cant help myself...

 

[BOBKATT]

When the SHTF I think libtards will find themselves in deep doo doo as their failures become more and more evident.

Part of what makes a liberal a liberal is that they are too damn dumb to ever realize when they have screwed up. It's their nature to celebrate good things about the bad things. There will always be a president Bush that they can blame everything wrong with the world on. It's never them. It's never them.

Theres no place like home, theres no place like home, theres no place like home. Nope, were still surrounded by loonies.

 

[kendall-op]

give me a beak....

the dumb bimbo deserves that kind of talk after those stupid comments regarding a father protecting his kid from a dirt bag kiddy porn piece of trash like him. If I was the father and that dumb bimbo said that I took the wrong action, I would say worse than that about her....

"Up against the wall" I cant help myself...

+1

 

[JimB]

i agree

BOBKATT, let me state that they are not only to dumb, but they
actually belieave their own bullshit.

Oh, regarding the other comment about saying something in a public forum,

If you don't like it here, leave the forum. Your either with us or not.

JimB

 

[clinotus]

Dont forget the commentary about intervention with a rape in progress by the Boston Police Commissioner. It was something to the effect that a passerby should not act but instead call or have the woman call 911.

And people wonder why we carry on a daily basis.

 

[peterpressure]

I still cannot get over the fact that the father was arrested?

http://www.enterprisenews.com/busin...or-employee-he-says-groped-his-4-year-old-son

Police said the suspect, an elderly janitor at Market Basket, allegedly reached under a bathroom stall partition and touched the boy’s calf while the child was standing on a bucket June 1.

The boy’s enraged father, who police said saw it happen, allegedly flung open the adjacent stall and punched the janitor, giving him a cut on his lip and a welt on the middle of his head.

The employee, Valerio Rodriguez, 71, of Providence, allegedly told police through a translator “that he was wrong for touching the little boy.”

Rodriguez was charged with indecent assault June 1, but he was not arrested. He is scheduled to be arraigned in Taunton Superior Court July 29.

Police also charged Beatrice with assault for hitting Rodriguez, saying they sympathized with him but would have preferred he had waited for police to arrive.

Beatrice is scheduled to be arraigned July 31.

Police said they did not arrest Rodriguez at the scene due to his advanced age and lack of a criminal record.

Why did they arrest the father? Is the Commonwealth that bad?

 

[The Goose]

I
Why did they arrest the father? Is the Commonwealth that bad?

Yes it is!

 

[EddieCoyle]

I can only guess at what you're implying with the "against the wall" comment, but I find it extremely disturbing.

No wonder pro-gun people get a bad rap with comments like this in public forums. I'm ashamed to be associated with this kind of sentiment, and would like to surrender my membership to NES if this isn't moderated.

I have no interest in paying to belong to a community that regards this as an ok thing to say on a public message board.

Lighten up. If this is all it takes for this place's bad to outweigh the good, then you are reading too much into it.

(Plus, I think you guessed wrong).