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Well, that's kind of the whole purpose of a firefight. Either that, or I used to do it all wrong."In a firefight, mistakes need to be kept to a minimum or people can die."
And that guy that shot from the book suppository.
I guess you missed the Full Metal Jacket reference?Ah, yes. Operation: Preparation "H"...
Not even the military need real assault weapons, so civilians don't even need semi-auto assault weapons? The propaganda machine just took a hard left with this b*******.
A lot of the MG hate comes from the M249. And a lot of the M249 problems come from people who are either using it incorrectly or are using one thats been damaged by misuse.
Then the Marines a decade ago went off the deep end with the M27 which at the time was supposed to nearly fully replace the SAW as an automatic rifle. While they both are automatic rifles, one of them holds 200 rounds and has changeable barrels and the other doesnt. So their role in suppression is going to be drastically different.
Light machine guns, automatic rifles and general purpose machine guns need to be able to sustain automatic fire. 1,200 RPM is to much as we saw. 600-800 rpm with a belt and barrel swapperroonies, yes please. The writer doesn't understand infantry doctrine if he disagrees.
+1. When I saw the writer write "a troop," singular, I knew he was LARPING.
f*** him, the heart of an infantry section IS the machine gun and crew, the riflemen are there to support the machine gun and to fire and maneuver onto the objective.
A rifle like the M4 has semi, burst and full. What's not to like about that? Jack.
Both the original article on We Are The Mighty, and the copy on Business InsiderReads like a Duffel Blog article.
Pay it no mind.
Like an M16, only smaller.(*)So if the AR15 is a weapon of war, what the hell is the M4? Jack.
Q1: Do rounds landing off target due to muzzle rise not constitute negligence?How is it more likely that you will ND in burst mode rather than semi?
(As @Dench hinted),I have seen folks shoot a full auto gun in the civilian world and yes they dump the mag.
Do soldiers "learn" not to do that in training?Soldiers learn not to do that in training.
I didn't read about the M-16 in 'Guns and Ammo' or 'American Rifleman', but I did face 30 round AK-47's and RPD's, and .51's MG's without 3 round select fire switches, it worked well for them. Inexperienced Grunts quickly got experienced, or dead.The article is about machine guns, but the actual title is,
and I quote,
4 reasons why infantrymen don't need full auto weapons
(As @Dench hinted),
we are told that the M16A2's requirements
were derived from combat experience in Vietnam.
In particular, M16 rifle: M16A2 says,
The action was also modified, replacing the fully automatic setting with a three-round burst setting. When using a fully automatic weapon, inexperienced troops often hold down the trigger and "spray" when under fire. The U.S. Army concluded that three-shot groups provide an optimum combination of ammunition conservation, accuracy, and firepower.
The only two things I recall from reading about M16 evolution decades ago (Guns and Ammo? American Rifleman?) were:
- (Replacement of three-prong flash suppressors with birdcages, to reduce the muzzle's tendency to fill with dirt like an apple corer; and...)
- Substitution of 3-round burst for full-auto. The article stated that many troops did mag dumps when under fire and quickly exhausted their ammo supply. They also rationalized it by quoting a veteran to the effect that, "you'd be surprised how quickly you can move your trigger finger (in semi-auto or burst mode) when under fire".
That is,I didn't read about the M-16 in 'Guns and Ammo' or 'American Rifleman', but I did face 30 round AK-47's and RPD's, and .51's MG's without 3 round select fire switches, it worked well for them. Inexperienced Grunts quickly got experienced, or dead.
(And sincere thanks for going in harm's way for my sake).... I did face 30 round AK-47's and RPD's, and .51's MG's without 3 round select fire switches, it worked well for them.
A modest search doesn't reveal some deep history of the 3-round burst mod.Inexperienced Grunts quickly got experienced, or dead.
Thanks for the correction on the M4. Jack.Yeah I don't get it. Someone linked that he was a medic. So I'm sure he was around some mega retarded lower enlisted marines who have put this in his head. The amount of weird information that was going around when I was in was overwhelming, and the lack of correct teaching from leaders was a huge problem. I couldn't imagine being in an infantry squad, or supporting one without knowing the 10 minute version of how the squad works and each persons role. But here we are.
The 249 does one thing, and thats throw a shit ton of bullets. Rifles and carbines cant do it. I mean they can, but its going to be a nightmare by comparison. I don't have a ton of personal experience with SAWs but Ive been around them enough to know what the issues are (lack of training and lack of preventative maintenance).
When I was with a Nordic infantry unit overseas they had the FN Minimi Para which is basically a M249 para, which I had never even seen one until I was with these guys. It's a great weapon for people in and out of vehicles and who need to have a really small light machine gun for X reason, such as long patrols, low expectation of long range shootouts, etc. The only people who wouldn't shit their pants having that thing being shot at them are well trained enemies, and luckily for us there isnt an abundance of it. Locals would flat out say to us how much they loved the look of our SAWs, and how it demanded respect, which it did. People don't f*** around when they see a belt. These forgein soldiers liked their minimis. Probably becuase their military is significantly smaller, better trained in general and has much better tender lovin' care towards maintenance of firearms.
I should know all about that. My FN M16A4 had a f***ing lose barrel when I went to qual with it for deployment. How thats even a thing is a mystery. I guess the index lug on the top was damaged under the barrel ring. Brand new also.
It depends on the M4.
The M4 is safe-single- 3 burst
The M4A1 is safe-single-full
The problem is the barrel is 14.5 inches and it's made with weight in mind.
The M27 is the solution to the problem that may or may not be a thing, which is apparently people want the M4 platform to be an automatic rifle. The M27's barrel is 16.5 inches. The M27 is also over a pound and a half heavier so it can actually run as an automatic rifle without the thing turning into a black hole.
*****A lot of the MG hate comes from the M249. And a lot of the M249 problems come from people who are either using it incorrectly or are using one thats been damaged by misuse.
Then the Marines a decade ago went off the deep end with the M27 which at the time was supposed to nearly fully replace the SAW as an automatic rifle. While they both are automatic rifles, one of them holds 200 rounds and has changeable barrels and the other doesnt. So their role in suppression is going to be drastically different.
Light machine guns, automatic rifles and general purpose machine guns need to be able to sustain automatic fire. 1,200 RPM is to much as we saw. 600-800 rpm with a belt and barrel swapperroonies, yes please. The writer doesn't understand infantry doctrine if he disagrees.
When you have to go up against one of these—-
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All you need is a stick.
Sticks worked for us as kids, why not now?
Much lighter than the Pig(M60) and fires M16 ammo. I carried one as an E4.