Maine gun bill would allow concealed weapons without permit

On motion of Representative McCABE of Skowhegan, the House CONCURRED to PASSAGE TO BE ENGROSSED as Amended by Committee Amendment "A" (S-119) as Amended by Senate Amendments "B" (S-153), "C" (S-174) and "D" (S-175) thereto.
ROLL CALL NO. 152
(Yeas 87 - Nays 60 - Absent 4 - Excused 0)
ORDERED SENT FORTHWITH.


So now the question is, will these amendments be enough for the governor to sign it?
 
Darksideblues42 said:
Not to mention Wells. I have family in Wells, and the CoP Waited until the last possible day after they put in their paperwork to issue the permit. She (the CoP) does not like to issue them.
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she's a whore. She used to be the "jeep" cop. Wells had an old jeep Cherokee that that slut rode around in to harrass us as teenagers. she became CoP. That whole department is corrupt and disgusting.

One day my friends and I were just hanging out in a sand pit and Detective Borst (I'll name him...f*ck him) came rolling in to shake us down. Threatened to have a dog come rip our cars apart. Illegally searched all of us looking for weed in our cigarette packs (didn't find anything). My buddy Mike was up top of a dirt hill on his dirtbike and came down and turned around right in front of Borst's car and spun his rear wheel just pelting the shit out of his car with rocks. We were cracking up laughing. Pig Borst demanded of us to know who he was and we were just like I don't know man he's just some jerk he was doing the same thing to us before you got here LOL. He abandoned abusing us to go on a wild goose chase to catch Mike.

Cops in that town literally have NOTHING to do so all they do is harass teenagers.
 
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Asaltweapon said:
LePage who I happen to like will not sign the bill due to the 21 year old age restriction. He says you can go to war at 18 so you should be able to carry.
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I completely agree, but his argument is flawed. "Because I believe people 18-21 should be able to carry, I'm going to refuse to let anyone carry." Fix the law for 95% of people first, then make the minor corrections next session. In the meantime, publicly announce that you will pardon all people 18-21 who are prosecuted for unlicensed carry.
 
I'm having trouble following the amendments.

I *think* the bill he could sign basically says:

- Anyone over 21 can carry a loaded handgun without a licence.
- if you *don't* have a licence, you're required to inform LE when contacted.
- if you *do* have a licence, you're not required to do so.
- if you're military you only have to be 18


Is that about it?
 
milktree said:
I'm having trouble following the amendments.

I *think* the bill he could sign basically says:

- Anyone over 21 can carry a loaded handgun without a licence.
- if you *don't* have a licence, you're required to inform LE when contacted.
- if you *do* have a licence, you're not required to do so.
- if you're military you only have to be 18


Is that about it?
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Yes. It also requires FFL's to provide another pamphlet on "gun safety" with every purchase. Not gemane to the bill whatsoever but it got dem support for the bill in the house where the dems have control.
 
LiveFreeAndDie said:
I completely agree, but his argument is flawed. "Because I believe people 18-21 should be able to carry, I'm going to refuse to let anyone carry." Fix the law for 95% of people first, then make the minor corrections next session. In the meantime, publicly announce that you will pardon all people 18-21 who are prosecuted for unlicensed carry.
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A governor can only threaten to veto a bill if it does do x or have y. Often POTUS and gov's sign bills anyway. He got what he wanted for mil folks but even if that wasn't there, I think he would have signed and fought to have it revised in another bill.


soloman02 said:
Yes. It also requires FFL's to provide another pamphlet on "gun safety" with every purchase. Not gemane to the bill whatsoever but it got dem support for the bill in the house where the dems have control.
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I hope they have my address. [laugh]. What a stupid addition but it's what D's do. Waste of money, no one will give it a second of their time.

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Garys said:
Does this bill apply only to ME residents or to anyone in the state? If the latter, can I get a refund on my ME license? [smile]
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All non PP's who are in ME, it's not limited to residents.
 
WTF
It just came up in the Senate just now
Sent to special appropriations Table,
What the heck does that mean? Is there a fiscal issue with this bill?

7-1, LD 652, AUTH CARRYING OF CONCEALED HANDGUNS W/O A PERMIT, SPECIAL APPROPRIATIONS, Speaking: Sen. Cushing
 
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RYJ said:
WTF
It just came up in the Senate just now
Sent to special appropriations Table,
What the heck does that mean? Is there a fiscal issue with this bill?

7-1, LD 652, AUTH CARRYING OF CONCEALED HANDGUNS W/O A PERMIT, SPECIAL APPROPRIATIONS, Speaking: Sen. Cushing
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Wtf! I was hoping this thing would go thru. Iget suspicious when it gets tabled.
 
going to Maine this weekend. Looks like i'll have to keep doing what I usually do before i cross the border until this bill passes. Unload it and leave it in plain view on the back seat. Anyone else fine it odd Maine wants it locked away and unloaded while in a vehicle OR just unloaded in plain sight?
 
Because ME will lose some cash from reducing the number of permits, it needs to go to the budget committee. This talks about that and a few percedural votes it will have but they expect it to clear those and be signed.

There is a poll question If you agree with consitutional carry or not too for those wishing to jam the poll. http://bangordailynews.com/2015/06/...rry-bill-with-fix-designed-to-satisfy-lepage/

House approves ‘constitutional carry’ bill with fix designed to satisfy LePage

By Mario Moretto, BDN Staff

Posted June 04, 2015, at 1:29 p.m.
Last modified June 04, 2015, at 4:27 p.m.

AUGUSTA, Maine — A bill to allow Mainers to carry concealed handguns without a permit appears destined for Gov. Paul LePage’s desk after the House agreed Thursday to an amendment designed to win the governor’s support.

The latest version of the bill, approved by bipartisan majorities in the House and Senate, would allow anyone older than 21, who isn’t prohibited from owning a firearm, to carry a hidden handgun. Members of the military would be afforded the same right as long as they are older than 18 years old.

The provision for servicemen and servicewomen was added by the Senate on Wednesday in an effort to appease LePage, who said he would not sign a bill that didn’t apply to all adults in the military. In a vote of 87-60 on Thursday, the House concurred with the Senate.

The bill, LD 652 — dubbed “constitutional carry” by its backers — has enjoyed broad bipartisan support since it was introduced by Sen. Eric Brakey, R-Auburn, early this year.

Brakey and others have said Maine’s current permitting system for concealed carry — which requires a background test, a fee and a judgment of the applicant’s “good moral character” — is a needless burden on law-abiding Mainers.

“It’s a law that you can carry a gun now, openly [without a permit]. Why should covering that with a jacket make you criminal?” said Rep. Matthew Pouliot, R-Augusta, during Thursday’s debate in the House, echoing arguments made repeatedly by Brakey and other supporters.

But Rep. Janice Cooper, D-Yarmouth, said proponents’ arguments were a red herring.

“This proposal is not about the Second Amendment. It is not about the right to bear arms. It is not about protection,” she said. “It is about a disdain for regulation, and that is the genesis of this bill. It is from people who disdain government, who disdain any interference in their freedom, as they put it, to do what they like, even at the risk of people dying.”

Rep. Walter Kumiega, D-Deer Isle, proposed a floor amendment Thursday to require that anyone who would carry a concealed weapon participate in safety training, but the amendment was defeated 63-83.

The bill was opposed by the Maine Chiefs of Police Association, Maine Sheriffs Association and other law enforcement groups. The Maine State Police supported the measure, although it’s worth noting that the Maine State Police also is the only law enforcement agency under the purview of the governor, who supports the bill’s goal of permitless concealed carry.

The effort has been the subject of intense lobbying, with the National Rifle Association prodding lawmakers to support the bill, and a group backed by former New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg buying advertisements to oppose it.

By Thursday, 16 Democrats — including majority floor leader Jeff McCabe of Skowhegan — joined every House Republican in supporting the bill. Four of the five unenrolled representatives also backed the bill.

Because the bill would cause a reduction in state revenue from the loss of concealed carry permitting fees, the bill has been sent to the Appropriations Committee, which will need to factor in its passage into the biennial budget.

Additional procedural votes remain in the Senate, but with support secured in both chambers, the bill is all but sure to end up on LePage’s desk.

If the governor signs the bill or allows it to pass into law without his signature, as expected, Maine would become the second state in New England to allow permitless carry. Vermont has never required a permit to carry a concealed gun.

Follow Mario Moretto on Twitter at @riocarmine.

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Frame of reference 7:30 AM.

Poll Question
Should Mainers be allowed to carry concealed handguns without a permit?

Thank you for voting.
Yes 63.87% (610 votes)
No 36.13% (345 votes)
Total Votes: 955
 
Should Mainers be allowed to carry concealed handguns without a permit?

Yes 63.63% (768 votes)
No 36.37% (439 votes)
Total Votes: 1,207

<http://bangordailynews.com/2015/06/04/politics/house-approves-constitutional-carry-bill-with-fix-designed-to-satisfy-lepage/>
 
namedpipes said:
Is it my imagination or was the order of the answers

Yes
No

Earlier today. NOW it's:

No
Yes

I wonder if the order is randomized or if they are trying to trip up poll scamps...
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A good poll scam would just submit the name=value pairs, irrespective of the order on the page. I've written a bunch of them with Apache HTTPClient.
 
Thank you for voting!



Yes 64.46% (858 votes)


No 35.54% (473 votes)


Total Votes: 1,331
 
Reptile said:
So, what happened?
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Nothing yet. Here is his email update that he posted to FB:

Constitutional Carry Approved By Legislature

LD 652, "An Act To Authorize the Carrying of Concealed Handguns without a Permit," sponsored by Senator Eric Brakey (R-Androscoggin), has passed the Legislature. The measure has now passed both the House and Senate, and is awaiting further procedural action before returning for a final vote in the Senate.

Though citizens would no longer be required to seek a permit to carry a concealed weapon, the legislation does not remove Maine's permitting system so that citizens can enjoy reciprocity with other states. Additionally, under an amendment attached to the bill, Mainers between the ages of 18 and 21 would still be required to obtain a permit to carry unless they are an active military member or an honorably discharged veteran.

The bill does not change who may carry a firearm, it does not change what kinds of firearms may be carried, nor does it change where firearms may be carried.

The Maine State Police support the legislation.

Several states are already Constitutional Carry states, including Vermont, Alaska, Arizona, Kansas, and Wyoming.
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http://myemail.constantcontact.com/...rakey.html?soid=1101516639690&aid=f_VMx-0dbnI
 

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