MA Shotgun laws regarding AWB

[PistolPete]

I'm curious what the regulations are for shotguns for MA. I know for a mag fed shotgun we are limited to the size of the mags. That's obvious but I'm curious if a shotgun with a pistolgrip would be an issue. It is not a Pre-ban shotgun. Also, if the pistolgrip isn't and the shotgun has a folding stock that was pinned would the gun be legal?

Thanks,
Pete

 

[Scrivener]

Pistol grips, by themselves, are fine. A PERMANENTLY FIXED folding stock no longer folds, which would then also be fine.

Remember, you need two "evil" features, plus the base criteria of autoloader w/detachable mags, to become an "assault shotgun." A Mossberg 590 has a bayonet lug, yet is not an "assault weapon" because it only has that one feature and is not an autoloader.

 

[PistolPete]

So then a Saiga12 mag fed shotgun with a pistol grip and fixed stock would be legal then? Thanks in advance.

pete

 

[jar]

Yeah, and loads of fun.

 

[DCR]

So then a Saiga12 mag fed shotgun with a pistol grip and fixed stock would be legal then? Thanks in advance.

pete

Outstanding!

Has anyone here converted one themselves?

 

[WillyJP]

Pistol grips, by themselves, are fine. A PERMANENTLY FIXED folding stock no longer folds, which would then also be fine.

Remember, you need two "evil" features, plus the base criteria of autoloader w/detachable mags, to become an "assault shotgun." A Mossberg 590 has a bayonet lug, yet is not an "assault weapon" because it only has that one feature and is not an autoloader.

I believe semiauto shotguns with a fixed capacity (tubular magazine etc.) of more than 5 rounds + one evil feature = "assault shotgun" as well Scriv.

 

[ChevyGuy91]

Pistol grips, by themselves, are fine. A PERMANENTLY FIXED folding stock no longer folds, which would then also be fine.

Remember, you need two "evil" features, plus the base criteria of autoloader w/detachable mags, to become an "assault shotgun." A Mossberg 590 has a bayonet lug, yet is not an "assault weapon" because it only has that one feature and is not an autoloader.

I have a question that kind of fallows along this path. You say folding stocks that are perminently fixed would be fine, is this an autoloader only thing? I ask as I have 2 pump shot guns, one with an AR style collapcable stock, and one with a top folding stock, both leagal where I am now, but am bringing them with me home to MA. Also, does anyone know the legality of fixing a bayonet to say a mossberg 590?

 

[jdubois]

I have a question that kind of fallows along this path. You say folding stocks that are perminently fixed would be fine, is this an autoloader only thing? I ask as I have 2 pump shot guns, one with an AR style collapcable stock, and one with a top folding stock, both leagal where I am now, but am bringing them with me home to MA. Also, does anyone know the legality of fixing a bayonet to say a mossberg 590?

Pump actions don't have to follow the rules, only semi-auto weapons are defined as assault weapons.

 

[ChevyGuy91]

that is what i thought, just wanted to make sure.

and just to double check, no problem with a bayonet on a 590?

 

[jdubois]

and just to double check, no problem with a bayonet on a 590?

Shouldn't be a problem, as long as it doesn't have a double-edged blade (which might get you in trouble under C 269 S 10, if you're carrying it).

 

[Ripach]

So then a Saiga12 mag fed shotgun with a pistol grip and fixed stock would be legal then? Thanks in advance.

pete

IANAL and will not claim to understand the whole mess, but FWIW Saiga 12's have a threaded muzzle (Usually an "evil" feature). I don't know if this makes a difference, if it does I suppose you could always weld a break or thread protector onto it. Also lest we forget Saigas are also imports, and subject to the 922r parts count.

 

[cmacclel]

So does anyone know for sure if one can convert a Saiga semi auto shotgun with a pistol grip fixed stock with welded on muzzle brake?


Mac

 

[DickWanner]

So does anyone know for sure if one can convert a Saiga semi auto shotgun with a pistol grip fixed stock with welded on muzzle brake?


Mac

No, you cannot. They were not imported until after the ban so there are no 'pre-bans', plus their importation in 'sporter' config would mean none were assembled in AWB-configuration anyways. The detachable magazine is it's evil feature (unlike rifle where it's the qualifier), so unless you find a way to permanently attach the magazine the pistol grip is a no-go.

 

[cmacclel]

No, you cannot. They were not imported until after the ban so there are no 'pre-bans', plus their importation in 'sporter' config would mean none were assembled in AWB-configuration anyways. The detachable magazine is it's evil feature (unlike rifle where it's the qualifier), so unless you find a way to permanently attach the magazine the pistol grip is a no-go.

Do you have a link to the law text? It seems 3 other people earlier in this thread thought it was legal as long as the 922r parts count was correct.

Thanks Mac

 

[cmacclel]

I think I know undertand that the Saiga with pistol grip would be Illegal in MA. Being a shotgun the *semi-auto* already counts as one evil feature (your allowed 2) which is why you can have a semi-auto shotgun in MA with a regular shoulder stock and an extended magazine tube but cannot have the extended magazine tube *AND* pistol grip.......it's one or the other. Since the Saiga already has the detachable magazine evil feature it therefore cannot have a pistol grip.

Make sense?

 

[DickWanner]

I think I know undertand that the Saiga with pistol grip would be Illegal in MA. Being a shotgun the *semi-auto* already counts as one evil feature (your allowed 2) which is why you can have a semi-auto shotgun in MA with a regular shoulder stock and an extended magazine tube but cannot have the extended magazine tube *AND* pistol grip.......it's one or the other. Since the Saiga already has the detachable magazine evil feature it therefore cannot have a pistol grip.

Make sense?

No, but then again it never did

You are correct though.

 

[atmay]

I think I know undertand that the Saiga with pistol grip would be Illegal in MA. Being a shotgun the *semi-auto* already counts as one evil feature (your allowed 2) which is why you can have a semi-auto shotgun in MA with a regular shoulder stock and an extended magazine tube but cannot have the extended magazine tube *AND* pistol grip.......it's one or the other. Since the Saiga already has the detachable magazine evil feature it therefore cannot have a pistol grip.

Make sense?

Hate to nit-pick, but as a point of correction--you are allowed ONE evil feature. Being semi-automatic is the qualifier to be controlled under the ban; and the detachable magazine is the Saiga's ONE allowed feature.

 

[TheRoland]

Hate to nit-pick, but as a point of correction--you are allowed ONE evil feature. Being semi-automatic is the qualifier to be controlled under the ban; and the detachable magazine is the Saiga's ONE allowed feature.

This. This is why I'm baffled that people want pistol-gripped semi-auto shotguns in this state at all. If a pistol-grip is your evil feature, enjoy your 4-round non-detachable magazine.