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Eh, they still don't get it and probably never will. I'd make them pay for the ammo too.
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Liberals Shoot Guns for the First Time
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You really are not seeing the connection or caught in the myopic terms. There are really only 4 camps (from least control to most): Republic, Democracy, Oligarchy and Autocracy (we will leave out anarchy). All of these fell into the form of government that imposes the most power over the people. "Liberals" are in the company of those that impose the most control over people. Hence why they generally distrust firearm ownership because it is a check on the power of government. It is no wonder why most revolutions fall into autocracy (see French Revolution). In terms of the desire to impose government over people, FDR, Hitler, Obama and Lenin are in the same camp.
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I'm 60, and mostly conservative. I have been an on and off shooter since I was 7 years old. I was an NRA member as a kid, and later in my 40's. In my 40's I got tired of all the political crap coming out of the NRA and generally started thinking they were a bunch of extremist nut cases. Boy was I wrong!
The past few years have caused me to rejoin the NRA, become politically involved, etc. Everyone has a right to their opinion, but for firearm instructors to be against the NRA is just plain funny. If it wasn't for the NRA there wouldn't be any public firearm instructors.
The past few years have caused me to rejoin the NRA, become politically involved, etc. Everyone has a right to their opinion, but for firearm instructors to be against the NRA is just plain funny. If it wasn't for the NRA there wouldn't be any public firearm instructors.
Not personally, via their minions.
History ain't so simple, nor are there only "4 camps." Hitler and Lenin were killers, on a vast scale, dictators and despots and tyrants--but to lump them in the same camp as FDR and Obama is simply amazing. To so simplify politics is to restrict your own thinking to a tiny, shallow sphere.
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you are oversimplifying what Hitler and Lenin were. They didnt just kill people or order people to be killed. They installed complete control over their people. And you can make a direct comparison between Hitler and FDR in the fact that both sent an entire group of people to concentration camps
No, you can't make that comparison. Hitler killed millions; most people who ended up in German concentration camps never left. FDR sent 1,000s of Japanese to camps, where none were killed and almost all returned home.
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You are focusing on acts which is irrelevant to the discussion about governmental power, hence the revulsion is expected. You discuss the man ("despots and tyrants") while I look to the power imposed on the people. The "conventional" view of things is that communism and fascists are on opposite right and left sides of a spectrum. This traditional view ignores the reality that they are both autocratic or oligarchy based systems. The simple fact of the matter is that FDR is closer to Lenin ideologically than Washington (a classical "liberal" or republican). While it is hard for people to grasp this due to the acts, the power FDR imposed through the use of the state is no less revolutionary than that of what Lenin did. FDR had camps, FDR imposed forced agricultural reforms (see Wickard V. Filburn), FDR threatened the SCOTUS (The switch in time that saved nine). It is a failure to be blinded by the acts and not take into account the ideology. Regardless, I think it is more than fair to say that modern liberals believe in more government power and an armed populace is a threat (however small it may be) to such power. BTW, I would count many Republicans in the same camp as FDR.
Another peson who comments on a thread without actually watching the video. That seems to be a trend around here. These were anti gun liberals, not just "generic liberals". So they were a special kind of stupid, not just your everyday garden variety commie who may or may not hate guns.
-Mike
Jsfitzgerald85
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yep, i can see her being converted.
Gabby though, who gets tired after firing 1 round?
She wanted to take a nap. She would have to make me a sammich first though.
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Am I the only one who didn't have some huge feeling of power or other out of body experience the first time I shot a gun?
The dweeb and dweebettes were all "ZOMG I SHOT A GUN!!!111!". My reaction was "this is cool, I want to be more accurate."
The dweeb and dweebettes were all "ZOMG I SHOT A GUN!!!111!". My reaction was "this is cool, I want to be more accurate."
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OMG, that was funny. I've never seen someone that afraid of a rifle before. I think he may have peed himself. I wife didn't even cry.
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The first gun I ever fired was a semi AK (MAK-90) and the experience was crazy, but 60% of that was because I had really shitty hearing protection. I still remember my bell getting rung with every shot.
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I think part of it is too, is all these people do is watch crappy movies and stuff and they have some misaligned expectation of what shooting a gun is actually going to be like.
-Mike
The first gun I ever fired was a semi AK (MAK-90) and the experience was crazy, but 60% of that was because I had really shitty hearing protection. I still remember my bell getting rung with every shot.
I think part of it is too, is all these people do is watch crappy movies and stuff and they have some misaligned expectation of what shooting a gun is actually going to be like.
-Mike
I took my course from a co-worker and it included live fire training (Linskey is happy!) with a select fire MP5 (Linskey is sad :<). He basically just handed it to me and said "point it over there". The muzzle climb was interesting. I also learned that day that I didn't like .40.
You're probably right about the crappy movie influence.
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goodzilla
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That poor little pajama-boy hipster was just trying to answer like he thought an alpha female would like him to answer, he doesn't have his own opinion on such things.
Arlo39
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About right.
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My first time shooting a handgun was probably pretty close to the way that it was described by a couple of the chicks in this video. Just sort of overwhelming, a little (strangely) exhausting and exhilarating at the same time, and pretty much nothing like I expected after a lifetime of watching crappy movies. In other words I, like the women, was twice the man about it that Abe was.
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