LE shoots man in the back when cuffed and down

[law dawg]

And yet, a man is still dead.

Yes he is. The difference is the "why" of it.

 

[mikem317]

If there's no intention (e.g. malice), then it's manslaughter, INAL though.

 

[Half Cocked]

And yet, a man is still dead.

Yes, very tragic and should not have happened. But it was not murder unless he intended to do it.

 

[Palladin]

[sad2].

 

[jhblaze1]

And I have seen people mistake the gas pedal for the brake pedal which resulted in death of a pedestrian. Is this also murder?

if a civilian shot someone in the back while on the ground, they'd be going to jail period. Doesn't matter if it's an accident or not. A leo does it and he resigns from his job. I'll wait to see if there are charges, but I just don't see it happening. At the very very very least a citizen is losing his LTC. I bet the cop doesn't lose his rights...

Tasers are drastically overused. What used to be done by tacking and pinning a perp is now done by electrocuting someone. Seriously, cops forgot how to wrestle a guy down? Especially when it's like 5 officers on one guy. Tasing a buy who's already face down and unarmed with an officers knee in his back? WTF is the justification for that?

BTW, I think it looks like a really f***ed up kind of accident, but if we're spending our tax dollars on making the police tacti-cool, maybe we as the public should insist that those tools will only be available to cops who are "suitible" to use them.

 

[wolf223]

if a civilian shot someone in the back while on the ground, they'd be going to jail period. Doesn't matter if it's an accident or not. A leo does it and he resigns from his job. I'll wait to see if there are charges, but I just don't see it happening. At the very very very least a citizen is losing his LTC. I bet the cop doesn't lose his rights...

Tasers are drastically overused. What used to be done by tacking and pinning a perp is now done by electrocuting someone. Seriously, cops forgot how to wrestle a guy down? Especially when it's like 5 officers on one guy. Tasing a buy who's already face down and unarmed with an officers knee in his back? WTF is the justification for that?

BTW, I think it looks like a really f***ed up kind of accident, but if we're spending our tax dollars on making the police tacti-cool, maybe we as the public should insist that those tools will only be available to cops who are "suitible" to use them.

I would NOT want to wrestle with a crack head unless I REALLY had to.

So I say taze the f*** out of them until they simmer down. -only alternative is shooting them.

 

[-kj-]

if a civilian shot someone in the back while on the ground, they'd be going to jail period.


Tasers are drastically overused.

+1 and +1

IMO tasers should be a last resort b4 being forced to use a firearm... ie: crackhead on his feet swinging fists out of control... NOT facedown, hands behind the back w/ 2-3guys on top of him fumbling w/ cuffs.

 

[Bassturd]

Assuming that the firearms was mistaken as a tazer, the issue is that the firearm was used unintentionally.

I understand, but then if a case goes to trial what can the officer use as a defense? Essentially all he can do is claim to have made a mistake. Not something that's provable, but possibly something a jury will believe. Essentially he would have to claim incompetence.

 

[Half Cocked]

Essentially he would have to claim incompetence.

In essence...yes! He would have to admit to making the most egregious mistake one could possibly make.

Remember...even the most competent of people make mistakes.

 

[Half Cocked]

Essentially all he can do is claim to have made a mistake. Not something that's provable, but possibly something a jury will believe.

I would think that a jury would believe it. The alternative is that he intentionally did it and did so in front of 50 witnesses.

 

[Palladin]

lawsuit already filed...$25mil

 

[pbearperry]

Lawsuit

lawsuit already filed...$25mil

I am sure the lawsuit is based on how much welfare he would have collected in his entire life.

 

[wolf223]

I am sure the lawsuit is based on how much welfare he would have collected in his entire life.

where does it say he was on welfare?

 

[jhblaze1]

where does it say he was on welfare?

it didn't. Thats just one LEO's racism showing...

 

[pbearperry]

Ah the R word.Don't ya just love it.So easy to use.People that work are too tired to be out all hours of the night raising hell.Whites and blacks.

 

[wolf223]

Ah the R word.Don't ya just love it.So easy to use.People that work are too tired to be out all hours of the night raising hell.Whites and blacks.

well i don't know if your LE or not.

i do have a problem with people categorizing people based on were they live, race, ethnic background ect... i have NEVER collected a cent, in unemployment, welfare, section 8 or any other social program.

so, the fact is you could easily say that about me, because i'm dark-skinned, hispanic if something went really wrong and a cop shot me thinking i was a "suspect"... in the back, on the ground, by mistake....

 

[pbearperry]

Dark skinned

well i don't know if your LE or not.

i do have a problem with people categorizing people based on were they live, race, ethnic background ect... i have NEVER collected a cent, in unemployment, welfare, section 8 or any other social program.

so, the fact is you could easily say that about me, because i'm dark-skinned, hispanic if something went really wrong and a cop shot me thinking i was a "suspect"... in the back, on the ground, by mistake....

I know many dark skinned folks that are not on welfare.The point I was making is that wellies many times have too much time on their hands to stay out all night long and raise hell.People that work have to get bed time.I admit to being a welfareist.You don't hear that word too often because it doesen't roll off the tip of the tongue like the R word.If I had to lable you,I would prob call you a Leoist.

 

[wolf223]

I know many dark skinned folks that are not on welfare.The point I was making is that wellies many times have too much time on their hands to stay out all night long and raise hell.People that work have to get bed time.I admit to being a welfareist.You don't hear that word too often because it doesen't roll off the tip of the tongue like the R word.If I had to lable you,I would prob call you a Leoist.

fair enough...

if you say so. i welcome you to go through here and read my replies on similar "hot topics"...

 

[Admin]

it didn't. Thats just one LEO's racism showing...

I am pretty certain it was a joke. I laughed and I'm not a racist.

 

[jhblaze1]

I know many dark skinned folks that are not on welfare.The point I was making is that wellies many times have too much time on their hands to stay out all night long and raise hell.People that work have to get bed time.I admit to being a welfareist.You don't hear that word too often because it doesen't roll off the tip of the tongue like the R word.If I had to lable you,I would prob call you a Leoist.

wasn't trying to offend you. What you said came off a bit racist, but I see that probably wasnt your intention.

 

[pdm]

lawsuit already filed...$25mil

I am sure the lawsuit is based on how much welfare he would have collected in his entire life.

Man, I'll never make that kind of cake working in a cube.

Of course the upside is I probably won't get shot in the back after being cuffed either.

 

[EddieCoyle]

I know many dark skinned folks that are not on welfare.The point I was making is that wellies many times have too much time on their hands to stay out all night long and raise hell.People that work have to get bed time.I admit to being a welfareist.You don't hear that word too often because it doesen't roll off the tip of the tongue like the R word.If I had to lable you,I would prob call you a Leoist.

I'm an Everyoneist.

 

[Admin]

I'm just a plain old jerk.

 

[pbearperry]

Jerk?

I'm just a plain old jerk.

Don't be so hard on yourself,that's what friends are for.

 

[M1911]

And yet, a man is still dead.

Yes, he is. Of course, the law recognizes a difference in intent when a person has been killed: manslaughter versus murder.

As for the overuse of Tasers, they have greatly reduced the number of injuries to both police and perpetrators. Are they painful? Yes. But they usually do not cause lasting injuries, unlike baton strikes, etc. Handcuffing a person who is resisting is really hard and very dangerous, both to officers and perpetrators.

The reality is that taking a resisting person into custody is never pretty. Whether the person is subdued with joint locks, baton strikes, Taser, what have you, it won't be pretty.

 

[Half Cocked]

Handcuffing a person who is resisting is really hard and very dangerous, both to officers and perpetrators.

The reality is that taking a resisting person into custody is never pretty. Whether the person is subdued with joint locks, baton strikes, Taser, what have you, it won't be pretty.

Correct...if it was easy and pretty everyone would want to do it.

 

[SemiAutoSam]

OK who's the chickenshit that left me this Unsigned Neg REP point.


unpleasant on the face. ? WTF ya want a unpleasant Knuckle Sandwich on your face.

Thread Date Comment
LE shoots man in the... 01-12-2009 04:14 PM Your posts are poorly thought out and unpleasant on the face.

Maybe not.

I suppose it would depend on where the offence happened.

IE A killing in Texas could be prosecuted different than a killing in California.

Enlighten me.

 

[M1911]

OK who's the chickenshit that left me this Unsigned Neg REP point.


unpleasant on the face. ? WTF ya want a unpleasant Knuckle Sandwich on your face.

It wasn't me. I sign all my rep points, and rarely give negative ones. But threatening to hit someone in response is worse than chickenshit, IMNSHO.

 

[terraformer]

It wasn't me. I sign all my rep points, and rarely give negative ones. But threatening to hit someone in response is worse than chickenshit, IMNSHO.

Agreed.

 

[crak]

He should find a less stressful line of work.

Making license plates.