DarthRevan
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I sort of know one person like that…. I can’t imagine what lawyering up he must be doing.
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Illegal Data Release Massachusetts
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In Healthcare they are PHI, and this database is supposedly being used for the guns public health crisis.
Machines
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Every time I think about this data release the implications get more sketchy. If you post a WTS thread here saying "CZ550 in .270 Win, bought two years ago from Four Seasons, located in Groveland" the guy you're driving a half hour to meet in a Starbucks parking lot could already know about every gun you own just by looking at this list.
Definitely a NES member.
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But it is. You were saying that people are shitting their pants over nothing. You can figure out the database, so neither could criminals, and criminals will go after the houses without gun (I guess firearms is of no interest to criminals).
I am glad to hear you never leave your home and own the world's only impenetrable locks.
I was going off this summary ,but I think they mixed in voter registration data, as seen in this research paper.
How come there are so many of you guys giving examples of fellow gun owners using this to find out what other gun owners have
I thought we are supposed to be afraid of criminals and the state….
What makes you think everyone on this website owns guns?
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Are you about to blow a gasket on me listing summarized data that already exists in the public domain?
Not blow a gasket but you don’t think that’s a little f***ed up?
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The data was requested through the "Freedom Of Information Act" or FOIA.
This is VERY different from what California did. In California, they passed a law that mandated that ALL firearms data be made available to researchers without having to file a FOIA request. You see, FOIA mandates that all PII must be removed. California wanted to screw gun owners and passed a law that allowed these so-called "researchers" to get the data without having to comply with FOIA.
Dont be a f-ing douchebag
Well seeing he is proud that he did it I think the biggest threat with this is actually gun owners on NES…wow!!!!
A scroll through the registration list shows that some people are listing themselves as the manufacturer of a build, which puts their names and towns out there in the clear. Others are listing "None" as the manufacturer, and that's being accepted.
There would seem to be a cautionary tale in that.
Side note: Did anyone get one of the "sales" lists where all the data from "Zip Code" onward has not been shifted one column to the left (so Zip is in State, Weapon is in Zip, etc.)?
There would seem to be a cautionary tale in that.
Side note: Did anyone get one of the "sales" lists where all the data from "Zip Code" onward has not been shifted one column to the left (so Zip is in State, Weapon is in Zip, etc.)?
namedpipes
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If any of y'all are waiting on your renewals (or new apps too), you might find your Application status as:
That might cut some red tape getting your local PD to cough up your LTC (which often sits in a drawer for weeks at the PD because too lazy to call you in).
| Activated by FRB - Pending Card Printing |
| Activated by FRB - Pending Delivery and Issue |
That might cut some red tape getting your local PD to cough up your LTC (which often sits in a drawer for weeks at the PD because too lazy to call you in).
namedpipes
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You're either pretty good at instigating (in which case, [high-five]), OR you're an idiot. Too soon for me to tell.
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Before you get any further, here's an article by a pro-2A website that references a FOIA request approved in July of 2022 for this data:
Analysis: What Massachusetts Gun Sales Data Tells Us About How and Why Americans Buy Guns
Since the mass shooting at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, and the proposed “assault weapons” ban passed by the US House of Representatives earlier this year, gun researchers have noted a…
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This data has been around since July 2022! If anything, it shows that anti-gunners are liers!
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You beat met to it!Analysis: What Massachusetts Gun Sales Data Tells Us About How and Why Americans Buy Guns
Since the mass shooting at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, and the proposed “assault weapons” ban passed by the US House of Representatives earlier this year, gun researchers have noted a…
I noticed the same. None of my paper FA10s show up in the database as well.
namedpipes
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There are a ton of resources (many for pay) to fill in blanks based on partial data.
I'm half heartedly sanitizing the files to dump into a database to see what happens. If no squirrels run by the window I'll let you know more what I find.
I have seen dealers fill the wrong gun + SN in an FA10.
It could be a gun you purchased, the FFL gave you the wrong FA10, you didn't notice.
EJFudd
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So who requested and who approved of releasing this mess?Before you get any further, here's an article by a pro-2A website that references a FOIA request approved in July of 2022 for this data:
Analysis: What Massachusetts Gun Sales Data Tells Us About How and Why Americans Buy Guns
Since the mass shooting at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, and the proposed “assault weapons” ban passed by the US House of Representatives earlier this year, gun researchers have noted a…
This data has been around since July 2022! If anything, it shows that anti-gunners are liers!
Well, but the problem here is that YOU were the one saying all this is nothing to worry about.
HE just showed you why this is something to worry about. It certainly is not just NESers who are able to do this.
I hope it helps.
Machines
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I wonder how the public at large would react if a database like this that covered some other kind of personal information was released. Let's say prescriptions. You find a social media post from a coworker saying "Wow, the wait today for the Revere CVS pharmacy was 25 minutes long!" You look up the transactions for that day/location and find a user ID with a matching birthday. This lets you look up every medication that user ID has purchased for the last decade+. Now you know your coworker is bipolar, impotent, gassy, and has heart problems.
There is PII. I have to do training on this constantly.
PII is: "as any information that permits the identity of an individual to be directly or indirectly inferred, including any information that is linked or linkable to that individual, regardless of whether the individual is a U.S. citizen, lawful permanent resident, visitor to the U.S., or employee or contractor to the Department."
Straight from DHS. The big issue here with this data release is just how easy it is to connect the dots ( i.e. indirectly inferred) to find legal gun owners in the state. There is no good reason for this data to be out there. FOIA is also not really rigorous as you make it seem. There are multiple reviews and stopgaps but things get out constantly, either purposefully or by accident.
You're also ignoring the fact that some poor souls used their own names as manufacturers/business name. That just sucks for them, but it's a lesson learned for the rest.
The fact that you would go on here and post somebodies property you don’t know after finding it on a list that was illegally made public is beyond f***ed up. Provide all the shit you want to try and back it up. It’s not criminals or the public that’s going to be the problem with this it’s rats like you.Before you get any further, here's an article by a pro-2A website that references a FOIA request approved in July of 2022 for this data:
Analysis: What Massachusetts Gun Sales Data Tells Us About How and Why Americans Buy Guns
Since the mass shooting at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, and the proposed “assault weapons” ban passed by the US House of Representatives earlier this year, gun researchers have noted a…
This data has been around since July 2022! If anything, it shows that anti-gunners are liers!
You can list whatever you want, the DB will accept it. Whether it is a good diea or not, that is a different issue.
The database or whatever is not complete from what I saw. Years ago when I did my last LTC renewal the issuing officer showed me on his screen what I had registered/transferred in my name. Let's just say it wasnt complete. I think all the paper ones were also left off.
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I had a friend who had a large collection of model train cars accumulated during his pre-retirement life. After retirement, he funded his retirement by selling off parts of his collection until his passing at age 87. His spouse continued selling off his collection to support herself and her children. Some of these train cars fetched close to $10,000. If you live in the Barnstable area, you might have run into him at the model train track in Hyannis.
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