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technically...the dealer is correct (this is a mass issue)...which dealer told you this?
Please cite the statute or regulation which criminalizes such sales.
I am not sure what you mean by "criminalized" sales. To the best of my knowledge the ag has historically only gone after the seller when it comes to mail order ammo sales.
"I have to check your license at the time I make the sale, so the mail order places can't legally sell here".
This was the little shop in Waltham, (Law Enforcement Supplies or something like that). They are very nice and helpful, just a little vague on some of the finer points I guess.
I actually mentioned that I got ammo from the same place I got my surplus M1 Carbine (not naming any names here), and he said "oh, they shouldn't be doing that!".
I should also point out that the shop's bulk pricing on .45 ACP was cheaper than I could get anyplace else, even from my secret list of suppliers who ship here.
Of course a MA dealer told you this,they are the ones indirectly profitting from this non-existent "law".
I haven't bought ammo from a Mass dealer (besides WalMart) in years.
I can get 1K of 5.56 Privi shipped for $330.00,and I have seen the EXACT same stuff in shops here for $440+ a case.Dealers in MA are more than happy this non-existent "law" is in place so they can rape us on ammo.
Go into a shop,there are stacks and stacks of ammo most likely marked up 30%..Ya,the wholesale prices of ammo has gone up,but so has the profit margins on ammo of MA dealers.
Competition is a bad thing for MA dealers,it might mean the profit margin has to go back down to something normal like 15% on ammo.
Disclaimer: This does not apply to EVERY MA dealer,just every single one I have been to.
Heh, getting legal information from gun store employees is like getting automotive advice from a chef.
Can't speak for MA or CT but I've never had to prove anything more than age which was done with a driver;s license. No one ever asked for anything related to a firearm's permit or FID card. Even NJ only required proof of age the last time I purchased ammo in the state.
Heh, getting legal information from gun store employees is like getting automotive advice from a chef.
Exactly. Many Massachusetts dealers, (notice I did not say all, so stand down boys), mark up ammunition to sometimes stunning levels. Example? Look at Speer GDHP +P 135gr 38 Specials. Pop in to your local haunt and see what they're getting for a box...$1.00 a round in some cases. Online? 24-cents. The dealer I buy from is out - I guess "stupid people" like me cleaned him out - after all, I read in a thread here recently that buying ammo online was a waste of money - no good deals to be had. I was at a local FFL here in The Berkshires a few days ago - guess what I found? 400 rounds of 7.62x54R all tucked nice and neat in a Spam can. I got excited at first until I saw the price: $149.99 How much of a mark-up is that - 50%??? More??? This same dealer had "USA Pre-ban" AR-15 mags for: $49.99 - gouging maybe? This same dealer told me it was illegal to buy ammo mail order in Massachusetts....
The fact of the matter is there's lots of "good guy" dealers out there that can find a balance between profits and loyalty to their customers. We should publish a list of those people - I'd drive across the state to buy a case of ammo. There's also an element within the FFL community who take advantage of the situation here in the Bay State to reap large rewards off our suffering and our ignorance. Anyone who can't see that is not only blind, but is bullshitting themselves....
He said ... "I even have a hard time getting it shipped to my store because of all the hazmat fees."
If that's the case then how did the shooter from the Illinois college buy his ammo on Topglock?
Most if not all will require you to fax them a copy of your license and permit etc.
The owner of topglock said he just sold him hi-cap mags
While Hazmat fees are not charged, some shipping companies consider ammo a hazardous materials and handle it is a certain way. UPS has did designation on ammo shipments although they do ship it.
http://www.ups.com/content/us/en/resources/service/terms/common_items.html
The routing may be changed to avoid air shipment of the items but the costs are the same. However they have a 70 pound max so large shipment may go up in cost over a ground freight shipment.
Whatever shipping company considers ammo HAZMAT is wrong
Why not send a copy of ypur LTC and a copy of your drivers license to the mail order house. Same as showing it to a clerk.He said "I have to check your license at the time I make the sale, so the mail order places can't legally sell here".
sigh.