Explained that over and over again in this thread and not going to do it again.
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I guess this is a rant of sorts
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Explained that over and over again in this thread and not going to do it again.
I knew it too... and I avoided it for a while... but I thought to myself, maybe I need to see this.
I was wrong. I totally didn't need to see it at all. It didn't clarify anything for me, or make me realize what we were up against or anything remotely constructive. It simply horrified me, and made me disgusted with humanity. I literally closed the browser almost immediately after they started in on him... just thinking about it again is making me very sad.
pdm
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I can only speak for myself when I say that playing "Plants vs. Zombies" (a highly addictive game, BTW) has caused me to hate zombies even more and want to kill them so bad it hurts! That may not be "peer reviewed", but it's the truth! God I hate zombies....![[frown]](/xen/styles/default/xenforo/smilies.vb/003.gif "Frown [frown]")
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Love that game. Cherry Bombs for the MFW!
You've provided a theory based on "intuitive" and "correlative" observations and assumptions, but as Bill points out, you haven't (nor has anyone else) provided proof of what you say...
The nuance of the human mind to allow for grotesque imagination (as demonstrated by literature throughout the ages) yet not allow the break down in "normal" people between the imagined and the real speaks volumes against the correlative argument that violent kids played video games:
a. Violence (even extreme, baby boiling, skin peeling, torturous death sort of violence) predates not only video games, but indeed, our species (i.e. other apes demonstrate violence against each other, bludgeoning and dismembering each other (not for food, but for politics) in "war parties"...
b. See "correlation" - perhaps violent minds seek out violent game play, like oh say, pulling wings off of bugs and burning ants?
So, I won't argue that the media does not have a profound influence on the sheeple, but your assertions of the human mind's inability to distinguish are baseless and disproved by other similarly shallow (as well as more rigorous) scientific observation...
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All you've done is make emotional arguments with no scientific or statistical basis.
Sooooo different from everything that's been presented back to ME.
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What I said does have scientific basis, but I already said that if folks wanted a bunch of links with articles that talked about this concept I'd provide it, but I wasn't thrilled about doing all that work. I changed my mind- I'm not going to do a lot of work looking up the articles for folks that don't really want to know. It's a waste of my time, because then I'd just get more arguments telling me why they think the articles aren't valid, ad infinitum. I've presented enough that if they want to google they can find out for themselves. I'm not going to waste hours of my time to humor folks that only want fodder for their own preconceptions.
Pot. Kettle. Comm check.
A thought:
Do violent images in movies and games stir up violent impulses in people who are possibly prone to them or have other issues going on? It's far from 100% but it looks like in certain cases the answer is yes.
Are violent media images responsible for our societal ills? No. What is? There isn't just one factor, but if I had to list out the number 1 factor I would have to say it's parents that neglect their duty as parents - either by taking off, by being too wrapped up in their own affairs to bother with their kids, by being afraid to be a parent and not a friend to their child (but they won't LIKE me if I say no) or by using the TV, video games or anything else as a substitute for paying attention to their kids.
Unless the kid has some kind of organic brain/personality disorder, a kid brought up by involved parents can watch all the slasher flicks in the world and play GTA daily and still grow up to be a normal, healthy, well adjusted member of society.
Do violent images in movies and games stir up violent impulses in people who are possibly prone to them or have other issues going on? It's far from 100% but it looks like in certain cases the answer is yes.
Are violent media images responsible for our societal ills? No. What is? There isn't just one factor, but if I had to list out the number 1 factor I would have to say it's parents that neglect their duty as parents - either by taking off, by being too wrapped up in their own affairs to bother with their kids, by being afraid to be a parent and not a friend to their child (but they won't LIKE me if I say no) or by using the TV, video games or anything else as a substitute for paying attention to their kids.
Unless the kid has some kind of organic brain/personality disorder, a kid brought up by involved parents can watch all the slasher flicks in the world and play GTA daily and still grow up to be a normal, healthy, well adjusted member of society.
100% agreed, and many of those with said "disorder" were just programmed wrong (by bad/lacking parenting) in the first place...
It all circles back to the same problem - personal responsibility (or lack thereof)...
The Socialist mindset that has been spreading like a disease all over the world in the last 100 years is a big part of it, but mostly because it feeds into a natural tendency toward "laziness" of all organisms including humans (who happen to have the most powerful brain on the planet WRT to coming up with new ways to be lazy).
All organisms strive to maximize function while minimizing effort. It is a basic rule of survival. The more it costs you to acquire that which you need, the more of your time you have to spend doing so... So, animals (and people have specialized, each in their own way, to minimize their "effort".
This is why we can measure "procrastination" even in rodents. It's built into our genes at the lowest levels...
Unfortunately, the short-sightedness of intellectual observation (for most humans/animals) means that big mistakes in jugement can be made by correlative and short-term analysis of result vs effort observations. That is, individuals and groups can mistakenly believe they are making things better only to be wiped out by the long term consequences of their actions... That's how evolution works - it is a subtractive process. It destroys that which does not work, leaving those things that do work.
WRT to kids - the "it takes a village" mentality is code for "someone else needs to raise my kid"...
People on all sides of the political spectrum have abdicated the rearing of their children, because:
1. The system continues to offer more and more opportunity to dump your kids upon the state - whether that's Kindergarten or Juvenile Detention
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2. The continual, compounding and exponential destruction of wealth and earning power caused by the Federal Reserve specifically and increased government spending generally have resulted in more and more of our lives spent away from our families working to maintain our perceived "lifestyle"...
That's not to say that people never "worked hard" before, but they generally did it as a family - people had kids to help at home - a process which socialized them and disciplined them...
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Bill Nance
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Sooooo different from everything that's been presented back to ME.
What I said does have scientific basis, but I already said that if folks wanted a bunch of links with articles that talked about this concept I'd provide it, but I wasn't thrilled about doing all that work. I changed my mind- I'm not going to do a lot of work looking up the articles for folks that don't really want to know. It's a waste of my time, because then I'd just get more arguments telling me why they think the articles aren't valid, ad infinitum. I've presented enough that if they want to google they can find out for themselves. I'm not going to waste hours of my time to humor folks that only want fodder for their own preconceptions.
I have looked at the studies. My wife, a trained psychologist has as well. These reports get ripped to shreds by the peer-review committee and empiricists every time they attempt to make a Causal claim.
It's an extraordinarily difficult claim to devise a study for. I realize that. You'd need a longitudinal study that you could never really control. But they haven't even done the basics of a serious longitudinal study on this stuff.
As Sagan said: "Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof."
Playing violent video games makes one more likely to be violent in real life is one Hell of an extraordinary claim, especially as violent crime is down dramatically since the advent of violent video games. when PONG was hot shit, crime was a lot worse than it is now.
i love this guy. he's wicked smaht.
