Pretty much yup.
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Pretty much yup.
... But calling them "advanced class" is just plain silly.
Aaaand.....there's that reason too.I'm not saying they're not good stewards with regard to hunting, but I know more than one bow hunter who does so because they're prohibited from possessing firearms.
It's usually in early November, which is during archery season. It is possible for rutting behavior to continue into early December though.the rut is more likely to be on in archery season, I believe
I'll start this off.....not all bow hunters are "advanced class" by any stretch if the imagination. Had a bow hunter in a damn tree in full camo on the edge of a stocked pheasant field once start bitching at the pheasant hunters walking through telling them they were ruining his hunt.
1. What deer is going to walk through a pheasant stocked field that has had humans and dogs hammering it for weeks?!?
2. Full camo ....15 feet in the air.....on the edge of a field stocked with pheasant. Good way to get your ass shot.
3. Hunter orange cap required on pheasant stocked wma during pheasant season...
...With respect to the thread though......bow hunting....I get it....it's a challenge. But calling them "advanced class" is just plain silly.
Okay, so your mileage varied. I should have chosen my words more clearly. My observation is that most (not all I guess, cuz you found one that wasn't) are a more advanced class. Your story illustrates that there is ignorance in both camps. I only hunt on my private property in Vermont, not in Ma. This is my experience. Others may have different opinions/experiences. Also, VT allows cross bow. So, I suspect some of us older guys are more apt to participate. This may or may not have something to do with my observations.
Another observation, which has nothing to do with the original post: I find that non-residents are far more respectful of my property. The local rif-raf are just a bunch of fricken yahoos. After each rifle season, I need to go down the logging road an pick up the bud light cans. They cant even drink real beer. LOL
Another observation, which has nothing to do with the original post: I find that non-residents are far more respectful of my property. The local rif-raf are just a bunch of fricken yahoos. After each rifle season, I need to go down the logging road an pick up the bud light cans. They cant even drink real beer. LOL
As a generalization I would agree. Successful bow hunters can get away with fewer mistakes as their goal is to get as close as possible; especially if you hunt on the ground like I do. This mindset carries over to other methods as well. Even though I can take a deer farther with the shotgun or ML I still tend to hunt archery setups for the most part. In more than 30 years of hunting the longest shot I have taken is 80ish yards with the shotty.
There are slob hunters of every stripe. IME there are far more slob gun hunters than archers. I am probably an exception though as I keep trash bags in the truck and while I don’t always come home with a critter I usually do come home with some trash.
Bob
Anyone can drop a big mulie at 300 yards with a rifle. Now stalk up on one to bow range in open sage county and tell me it’s the same game....
But it’s like comparing fly fishing and spin casting, two different worlds.
But it’s like comparing fly fishing and spin casting, two different worlds.
what happened with the elk?
Catchin fish is catchin fish. If the lures I have aren't working there is no shame in tying on "#10 pink nighty" aka......10 inch night crawler. If a fly Fisher wants to sneer at me for that I don't give a f***.Unfortunately in my little neck of the "woods" most (not all mind you, but most) of the fly guys, much like the kayakers, somehow feel that since they have chosen to handicap themselves this somehow gives them the right to ignore the standard fishing etiquette that the rest of us less gifted anglers follow.
Catchin fish is catchin fish. If the lures I have aren't working there is no shame in tying on "#10 pink nighty" aka......10 inch night crawler. If a fly Fisher wants to sneer at me for that I don't give a f***.
Same thing applies here. The “purists” will stick with the fly rod as it is all about fooling the fish. The fisherman will use whatever legal method works to put fish in the pan.
There is no right or wrong here; different strokes for different folks. Be happy with your chosen method of perusing your quarry and let the other guy be happy with the way they have chosen to persue their quarry.
Bob
BobIn the end I think that it comes down to hunting vs
putting meat on the table. What are your priorities?
No one really “needs” to hunt; technically in this day and age anyway.
There are purists that live for the challenge and thrill of the hunt and the kill. Many of them hunt with a bow for the increased challenge (difficulty). Some of those will hunt with a recurve or a longbow to further increase the challenge.
Massachusetts, and many other states, have a lesser weapons law so even though it may be firearms season they can still hunt with the bow if they choose to.
Some, like me, are “meat hunters”. I enjoy the hunt, the variety of weapons, and my main focus is meat in the freezer.
Same thing applies here. The “purists” will stick with the fly rod as it is all about fooling the fish. The fisherman will use whatever legal method works to put fish in the pan.
There is no right or wrong here; different strokes for different folks. Be happy with your chosen method of perusing your quarry and let the other guy be happy with the way they have chosen to persue their quarry.
Bob
sounds very familiarThey were there, but didn't get a shot.
Actually...there is right and wrong. When you work to make the perfect set up on a pod of busting fish, and the fly guy comes along, motors up much much closer cause he can't cast as far and puts them down in the process, or when the kayak guy does not want to paddle all the way around you to get back up on the drift so he just cuts through area you are casting into, that's just wrong.
The basic rule when casting in a fleet is two casts between. I can fish all the water around my boat, and you can fish all the water around yours. Thing is,if you can only throw 30 feet, I still get my 30 yards on top of that.
Someone wants to fish with primitive stuff, great, but don't be thinking I want to share in the experience, and don't be looking for everyone else to share the burden,or give any quarter.
Bob
I dont sneer at the fly Fisher. I've taken 2 lessons in casting and I just suck at it. It's definitely a skill......Akin to the skill required in swinging a golf club well. I respect it. I just expect the same respect in return.
as to pain and speed of death I can say that the deer I have arrowed have bled out and died extremely fast. An arrow creates a massive wound channel. I have hit deer with my 270 and they go as far or further than deer ive arrowed. As a matter of fact ive arrowed deer that have acted as if they weren't sure anything has happened to them. only to topple over moments later. I have never shot a deer with a firearm that didn't act as if they weren't just hit by an invisible car.Why is it better? Seems to me - again, to the non-hunter eye - that it is a more painful death to the animal than a bullet, assuming both the arrow and the bullet are perfect shots.
Not bashing anyone, I am not a tree huger, just curious what the fuss about bow and arrow is.
Thanks.
I am asking in general, not specifically to MA. It's just that I watch all these bow hunting on the outdoor channel on the weekend and was always curious why would someone choose that over a rifle.