House Review of S2284 (formerly SB 2265)

[Ben Cartwright SASS]

I guess I don't see the need for this. OK, some FFLs are cautious/dumb/illiterate but as of right now I have had no issues with 01s selling/xfering C&R eligible to me on my 03 with no paperwork other than a bill of sale. I then do the (E)FA10 as required.

Actually I would change the "dumb/illiterate" to "cautious/obey the law" the law is if a firearm is not on the list or if older than 1998, i.e. C&R guns, a 01FFL cannot legally transfer it to a Mass resident. Many break the law and many have been fined for it. This simply covers those who don't want to break the law, simple as that.

If you have an 01 dealer who will sell you anything, they good for you. It is their license that is on the line not yours.

 

[Knuckle Dragger]

C&R provision is still effective date 2021. Here is the response from Timilty's office, basically in order to get the provision in the law it had to be put off for 6 years, they said there are too many legislators who feel it will put more guns on the street
YUP the gang bangers are clamoring for S&W top-break revolvers in .32 Smith and Wesson they would rather have then than a Glock

You laugh, but thats exactly the kind of gun the BPD has been seizing lately.
https://twitter.com/bostonpolice/status/495241664563535873/photo/1

 

[45collector]

You laugh, but thats exactly the kind of gun the BPD has been seizing lately.
https://twitter.com/bostonpolice/status/495241664563535873/photo/1

Why is it that gangbangers always put electrical tape or duct tape on the grips of their guns?

 

[GlockJock]

Why is it that gangbangers always put electrical tape or duct tape on the grips of their guns?

Cuz they remove the tape that was binding the copper wire they stole, from the railroad signal boxes and the light fixtures at the local playgrounds..

 

[WatchCityCPA]

Why is it that gangbangers always put electrical tape or duct tape on the grips of their guns?

The custom work greatly increases the value of the gun.

 

[drgrant]

Why is it that gangbangers always put electrical tape or duct tape on the grips of their guns?

Probably cause the screw or whatever is missing and I don't think a "thug lyfe" type is going to be phoning up Numrich or Brownells anytime soon.

-Mike

 

[Alex9661]

Why is it that gangbangers always put electrical tape or duct tape on the grips of their guns?

I read in a second rate spy novel that pros do it because fingerprints can't be lifted from the tape. It may be a common misconception

 

[jefftk]

All I could find so far:

Speaker Bob DeLeo ‏@SpeakerDeLeo 1h Today @MassGovernor signs #gunsense legislation pic.twitter.com/0zENnfYQ15

 

[jefftk]

http://boston.cbslocal.com/2014/08/13/mass-governor-signs-legislation-overhauling-state-gun-laws/

“Our communities and our families are safer when irresponsible gun sales and use are reduced,” Patrick said. “This legislation moves us in that direction.”

 

[Len-2A Training]

All I could find so far:

Speaker Bob DeLeo ‏@SpeakerDeLeo 1h Today @MassGovernor signs #gunsense legislation pic.twitter.com/0zENnfYQ15

Hopefully Jim Wallace wasn't in that background shot.

 

[jefftk]

Hopefully Jim Wallace wasn't in that background shot.

Pretty sure I saw a facebook post from him yesterday about being on vacation somewhere

 

[Ben Cartwright SASS]

The State Legislators who are against the C&R are to my understanding saying that currently there are a limited number of used guns that are available in Mass, and with the C&R more guns could legally come into Mass

They want there to eventually be nothing that can legally be sold here

 

[Rob Boudrie]

“Our communities and our families are safer when irresponsible gun sales and use are reduced,” Patrick said. “This legislation moves us in that direction.”

Anyone who doubts the intended end game should pay careful attention.

 

[briz]

So is this law effective immediately or is there a future date set for it to go into effect? I spent the past hour searching the governors page, the state legislature page, goal and various news sites and couldn't find an "effective" date.

Thanks for the feedback.

 

[Knuckle Dragger]

You laugh, but thats exactly the kind of gun the BPD has been seizing lately.
https://twitter.com/bostonpolice/status/495241664563535873/photo/1

They got another one:

http://bpdnews.com/news/2014/8/12/o...est-one-and-recover-illegal-gun-in-dorchester

 

[GlockJock]

So is this law effective immediately or is there a future date set for it to go into effect? I spent the past hour searching the governors page, the state legislature page, goal and various news sites and couldn't find an "effective" date.

Thanks for the feedback.

This.
Everyone has had a thousand different opinions and interpretations on this (in Massachusetts? Shocking.)...

There MUST be someone on here who is much more familiar with the process who can tell us the actual "whens" on this. No "guessing" or "I think/I'm pretty sure/Probably".. Etc etc cuz that just confused everyone initially on this whole thing.

Anyone know with 100% certainty when all this toilet paper actually starts to be law?

 

[jasons]

So is this law effective immediately or is there a future date set for it to go into effect? I spent the past hour searching the governors page, the state legislature page, goal and various news sites and couldn't find an "effective" date.

Thanks for the feedback.

The bill itself lists the dates. Some sections take effect immediately, others go out as far as 2021.

 

[Palladin]

They got another one:

http://bpdnews.com/news/2014/8/12/o...est-one-and-recover-illegal-gun-in-dorchester

Gequann Perry, 23, of Dorchester will be charged with Unlawful Possession of a Firearm Subsequent Offense, Unlawful Possession of Ammunition, Carrying a Loaded Firearm, Resisting Arrest and Armed Career Criminal Level 3.

he won't do a year

 

[ISOTOX]

So who do we call now ?

Who do we call! Time to call the Air Force Global Strike Command for a limited nuclear war head to be dropped on the State House....Absolutely disgusting how DeLeo gets away with this shit....And Patrick just counting the days till that Prick moves on!

 

[Len-2A Training]

Until we see the final, final, final copy that was signed into law, all we can do is guess. Some parts take effect today, some 1/1/15 and some not until 2021. There were some "technical corrections" made after the bill passed as well and I don't think any of those are on any website with public access. Merging the wording into the current law, etc. will also take time and it's only then that we can figure out where we stand and when things change.


It'll take time for the PDs to learn about the changes and react to them. Also FRB/EOPS must make some significant changes to their database, user interfaces, etc. and that will take time.

 

[StevieP]

http://www.momsdemandaction.org/in-...al&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer

 

[Garys]

If that's an antique, can he be charged? If it was made before 1899, then it's not a firearm, is it? The ammunition might be "modern", though.

They got another one:

http://bpdnews.com/news/2014/8/12/o...est-one-and-recover-illegal-gun-in-dorchester

 

[jefftk]

They got another one:

http://bpdnews.com/news/2014/8/12/o...est-one-and-recover-illegal-gun-in-dorchester

Doesn't say if the guy is a C&R FFL holder though

 

[Springfield_trapdoor]

Looks like a iver Johnson pre-1899

 

[daveshrews]

http://www.momsdemandaction.org/in-...al&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer

I feel so dirty for having clicked on that link. ICK! I just dumped my browser history twice and cleared my cache/cookies.

 

[oldsoldier29]

So, we now have legal recourse for the denials for people. Which means that, in THEORY, we no longer need to label towns in colors (which is great, because I'm colorblind). As it removes a Class B, it should also remove any restrictions-or, if it doesnt specifically spell that out-that can be argued. I really like that any denials (and, I'm assuming, restrictions) have to go before a judge to show reason why. Granted, there will be test cases, but I see this working for us, rather than against us. As to the may issue FID? I'm waiting for the first denial, without evidence (or even with, that shows nothing untoward), then a federal case coming out of it. 46 states moved forward regarding 2A rights. Or, remained as they are. We werent one of them.

 

[mbullism]

“Our communities and our families are safer when irresponsible gun sales and use are reduced,” Patrick said. “This legislation moves us in that direction.”

Anyone who doubts the intended end game should pay careful attention.

^this

 

[Dadstoys]

So, we now have legal recourse for the denials for people. Which means that, in THEORY, we no longer need to label towns in colors (which is great, because I'm colorblind). As it removes a Class B, it should also remove any restrictions-or, if it doesnt specifically spell that out-that can be argued. I really like that any denials (and, I'm assuming, restrictions) have to go before a judge to show reason why. Granted, there will be test cases, but I see this working for us, rather than against us. As to the may issue FID? I'm waiting for the first denial, without evidence (or even with, that shows nothing untoward), then a federal case coming out of it. 46 states moved forward regarding 2A rights. Or, remained as they are. We werent one of them.

I would be curious to know how long it would take for an appeal to be heard. How much would it cost , and if there is an appeal if it is upheld.
It would be something if the system was just flooded with appeals.
I wonder also if someone like Goal or Comm2A could set up a legal fund supported by donations to help with costs.

 

[Dadstoys]

“Our communities and our families are safer when legal gun sales and use are reduced,” Patrick said. “This legislation moves us towards disarming all law abiding citizens.”

Fixed it to what he was really thinking.

 

[jefftk]

http://www.masslive.com/politics/index.ssf/2014/08/gov_deval_patrick_signs_gun_bi.html

Although the state's main pro-gun rights lobby, the Gun Owners Action League, ultimately supported the bill, Wednesday's signing ceremony was dominated by gun control advocates. John Rosenthal, the founder of the group Stop Handgun Violence and one of the state's most vocal advocates for gun control, spoke during the ceremony. Many in the audience wore stickers reading "stop gun violence."

Molly Malloy, a Boston resident from the pro-gun control group Moms Demand Action for Gun Sense, said before the ceremony that the bill includes common sense provisions "that keep guns out of dangerous hands while still respecting Second Amendment rights."

Jim Wallace, executive director of GOAL, reached by phone after the signing, said he was on vacation, but his group had not received an invitation.

"I found out he was going to sign the bill this morning," Wallace said. "I thought it was kind of interesting with all the work we did on it that we didn't get an invitation, but that goes along with how the governor's treated us since he's been in office."

GOAL was involved in shaping provisions of the bill that established new crimes related to gun trafficking and set up a criminal firearms trafficking division of the state police.

Terrel Harris, a spokesman for the Massachusetts Executive Office of Public Safety and Security, apologized for the "oversight" of not inviting GOAL. "GOAL was an important partner in crafting the gun safety legislation that Governor Patrick signed today," Harris said in an email. "We have spoken directly with GOAL Executive Director Jim Wallace to apologize for the oversight of not including them in today's program. The Executive Office of Public Safety and Security looks forward to continuing to work with GOAL as we implement the new law."