Well yes, my goal is to well enough informed for when I write in my reps and governor. Having a better understanding of how the state laws, federal laws and AG plays a role will better serve me. My initial reaction was anger, but I prefer to act out instead of react out.
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Healey "closing the loophole" letter to gun dealers
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Well yes, my goal is to well enough informed for when I write in my reps and governor. Having a better understanding of how the state laws, federal laws and AG plays a role will better serve me. My initial reaction was anger, but I prefer to act out instead of react out.
Jason Flare
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I was thinking: You have 2,000 felons in front of the statehouse.
You're soft on crime.
Too soon?
Well, I'm glad your senator agreed that she shouldn't have done this... but this speaks to a more fundamental misunderstanding.
"The Attorney General should not have changed this law without any sort of public process or input from gun owners."
That should read, "The Attorney General does not have the legal authority to change a law."
I like what someone posted earlier. Having it read "I'm with Felon" with two arrows pointing to either side.
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YES! It is a "Look at ME" I'm a rebel and not afraid of the NRA! Oh yah and I'll lick your smelly Tw@t too...
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Well..... my answer to the latest AG spewage was to join GOAL. Signed up online today.
YES! It is a "Look at ME" I'm a rebel and not afraid of the NRA! Oh yah and I'll lick your smelly Tw@t too...
Well..... my answer to the latest AG spewage was to join GOAL. Signed up online today.
It is my understanding that she has the authority to interpret the law as she chooses and therefore the authority to change it. If this is true that is something that needs to be changed. No one should have the authority to change rules and regulations on a whim and turn thousands into criminals, especially without due process.
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While it's a lifestyle and constitutional right more than a sport, this is a great move!
Ha. Finally caught up...
She only made us stronger. Let's coin "Massachusetts Strong". What is the official sales count on firearms AND lowers on Wednesday? How many people have since joined the NRA & GOAL? She has awoken a beast!
You should join comm2a as well. I'm quite sure that they are working on this at this very moment.
http://www.comm2a.org/
So a MA gun shop owner should have expected what? That a news crew was there to do some pro-gun op-ed piece? As soon as they showed up he should have told them to **** off and find someone else for their hatchet job. Where was the BLM movement before the media created them. These shitheads today are a bunch of neo-hippies looking for some cause to glom on to. Talking to the media is like talking to cops. YOU DON'T ****ING DO IT!
The FBI stats prove that even though blacks are committing crimes 8-1 over whites, whites are being killed by cops 3-1 vs. blacks. So what does that mean? It means that a white person is 24x as likely to be shot by a cop than a black person. 8x fewer encounters w/ police and 3x as many deaths. Where's the outrage? Oh ya the media hasn't whipped us up into a frenzy over it so it doesn't exist. My bad...
Now I'm not saying that all blacks are criminals or that all cops are murderous shitbags. Hell I come from a family of cops and would have been one myself. If the MA affirmative action laws didn't make me too white, Irish and male to be a cop in MA. The point is, unless you are black, muzzie, LGBT or some other protected alphabet soup class, the media is your enemy. Everyone should know this by now. A gun owner in MA and especially a gun shop owner in MA has no excuse.
****, I'm surprised he didn't just throw the real loophole out while he was at it. Many of you know what I am referencing and if you don't, don't ask.
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To all the shops that are closing so they can be there.
FELON STRONG
F me I didn't know comm2a had an Amazon link! All those past purchases....
I just spoke with State Senator Michael Moore's office. The young lady I spoke with was very nice and correctly assumed that I was calling "about the AG Healy thing." I said "You have obviously been getting a lot of calls concerning this. Good!"
She said yes they had been getting lots of calls about the gun issue as well as some robocalls being put through concerning some pipeline.
"At least you people KNOW what you are calling about"
I told her "It is really not about firearms, it is about a state official usurping the power of the legislature not relegated to her"
I then sent a note to the Senator through his web-page and an e-mail to his official senate address.
THE MESSAGE IS THE AG USURPING POWER NOT RELEGATED TO HER AND RE-DEFINING THE LAW!
She said yes they had been getting lots of calls about the gun issue as well as some robocalls being put through concerning some pipeline.
"At least you people KNOW what you are calling about"
I told her "It is really not about firearms, it is about a state official usurping the power of the legislature not relegated to her"
I then sent a note to the Senator through his web-page and an e-mail to his official senate address.
THE MESSAGE IS THE AG USURPING POWER NOT RELEGATED TO HER AND RE-DEFINING THE LAW!
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I always use the amazon smile link for sick kids.
Strange, I took a quick peek at the Brady and Demanding Moms websites and FecesBook pages (including the MA chapter), and not even the slightest
mention of Healeys maneuver.
I would have thought that they'd be standing in the aisles cheering and high fiving one another over this.
Even that blowhard Rosenthal has been quite about it.
mention of Healeys maneuver.
I would have thought that they'd be standing in the aisles cheering and high fiving one another over this.
Even that blowhard Rosenthal has been quite about it.
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YES! It is a "Look at ME" I'm a rebel and not afraid of the NRA! Oh yah and I'll lick your smelly Tw@t too...
It didn't work for Scut Harshblather, it won't work for her. Didn't work for Reily or Belotti or Coakley as well. We have decades upon decades of people hitting the AG's office aspiring for more and then effectively disappearing from service.
But I concur that virtually everything she does is about her image and not about the office she holds.
Exodious,
I'm Alex Flig, the attorney who prosecuted the Draper v. Healey case. If you've been following that saga, there was a huge dispute re laws/statutes and regulations in the District Court proceedings. Based on my work on Draper I can tell you with near 100% confidence that you are absolutely CORRECT: laws are enacted by the legislative branch; regulations are put in place by an executive branch agency. The agency MAY interpret the law with wide latitude, but that latitude is not without limits.
What the AG has effectively done here is not interpreted--she has legislated. This, however, is a longer discussion.
Alex
Fixxah
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Don't poke the bush.
Here is why we are so F'@#$ed in this state. This is a quote from a guy in another forum I frequent when asked to define assault weapon:
"It would take a committee of a hundred lawyers to hash out a textual definition of "assault weapon" and we all know that it would be imperfect. On the other hand, a dozen of your relatives would give a dozen different descriptions of your grandmother too. I betcha they would all still recognize her. An assault weapon is one whose primary purpose is to kill humans. They were designed for war. I wouldn't count any weapon designed or produced before WW2 and give the Germans credit for the first true modern assault rifle but I would agree that is a bit arbitrary (see 100 lawyers above). The market has developed knock off weapons to sell to civilians. I believe it was the Israelis who developed the first assault pistol type weapon. Those knock offs and auto pistols are still assault weapons to anyone with a brain. Even your grandmother would say so."
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"It would take a committee of a hundred lawyers to hash out a textual definition of "assault weapon" and we all know that it would be imperfect. On the other hand, a dozen of your relatives would give a dozen different descriptions of your grandmother too. I betcha they would all still recognize her. An assault weapon is one whose primary purpose is to kill humans. They were designed for war. I wouldn't count any weapon designed or produced before WW2 and give the Germans credit for the first true modern assault rifle but I would agree that is a bit arbitrary (see 100 lawyers above). The market has developed knock off weapons to sell to civilians. I believe it was the Israelis who developed the first assault pistol type weapon. Those knock offs and auto pistols are still assault weapons to anyone with a brain. Even your grandmother would say so."
Believe it or not he agrees with AG
I don't know if this has been posted among the 4000 in this thread, but we should all file a civil rights complaint against her.
https://www.eform.ago.state.ma.us/ago_eforms/forms/crd_ecomplaint.action
https://www.eform.ago.state.ma.us/ago_eforms/forms/crd_ecomplaint.action
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This occurred to me last night and I would like one of the lawyers here to flesh it out for me.
Is it possible to indite the state of MA or the AG's office itself for being complicit in these thousands of sales of supposedly banned items? Forcing her to use the good faith purchases and wording of the law she just rewrote as proof of their (the state's) innocence. Which would essentially render her edict null and void. Even if she can keep her new rules going forward, it would put the rifles from before the edict squarely in "not assault rifle" territory. Thereby stopping any possibility of her coming after any of you for the purchases from before the 20th.
The law, as written, is the law. None of us who followed it broke it. That would seem to be the only defense she would have available to her in such a case. Again IANAL, so if one of the com2a boys could give me some input on this I would appreciate it.
Is it possible to indite the state of MA or the AG's office itself for being complicit in these thousands of sales of supposedly banned items? Forcing her to use the good faith purchases and wording of the law she just rewrote as proof of their (the state's) innocence. Which would essentially render her edict null and void. Even if she can keep her new rules going forward, it would put the rifles from before the edict squarely in "not assault rifle" territory. Thereby stopping any possibility of her coming after any of you for the purchases from before the 20th.
The law, as written, is the law. None of us who followed it broke it. That would seem to be the only defense she would have available to her in such a case. Again IANAL, so if one of the com2a boys could give me some input on this I would appreciate it.
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I can't remember which one, but one of those links gives COMM2A less money per purchase. So it would be good to know which one is which however I would err on the side of the one from their site I think.
Another quote from the same liberal when asked about gun violence in the land of no guns, Washington DC
"True. Sadly inner city gun violence has not responded to control efforts. It doesn't impact citizens other than young black and brown males for the most part. No evidence that assault rifles would help in any way."
"True. Sadly inner city gun violence has not responded to control efforts. It doesn't impact citizens other than young black and brown males for the most part. No evidence that assault rifles would help in any way."
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just joined both thanks!
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I called twice. Left a vmail on Wednesday and spoke with an aide yesterday in addition to my email to him.
I haven't heard anything back, but I know that GOAL was meeting with my State Rep and a few others. The Republican Caucus is meeting tomorrow to discuss this and many other items according to my State Rep. So, the State House might not be completely empty!!
Great--if you sent, I think, $50 or more to comm2A they will send you a cool challenge coin.
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