Gov. Maura Healey pledges to push for strong gun laws in Massachusetts

[EJFudd]

How are they ANY different from the rabidly anti-2A MA legislature we had last term?

Oh, please. I know you are smarter than that. Do I really have to explain it to you?

 

[Picton]

Oh, please. I know you are smarter than that. Do I really have to explain it to you?

Please do. I was being serious. I don’t understand your rhetoric.

 

[EJFudd]

Please do. I was being serious. I don’t understand your rhetoric.

Have you been asleep for the last 1-2 years? Do you not read your Boston Globe DimocRAT daily cover to cover? Have you noticed nothing at all different in MA politics or within the DimocRAT party generally? Really?

You're serious? No, I think you are trolling me. In fact, I know you are trolling me.

 

[Picton]

Have you been asleep for the last 1-2 years? Do you not read your Boston Globe DimocRAT daily cover to cover? Have you noticed nothing at all different in MA politics or within the DimocRAT party generally? Really?

You're serious? No, I think you are trolling me. In fact, I know you are trolling me.

Nope. I promise I’m not.

I don’t think you understand Bruen or its implications, at all. But I think Healy does, and I have little doubt she will tell the Speaker to shut all of this down so that she won’t look bad when it gets overturned.

That’s my logic. What’s yours?

 

[Quantavious G]

Please do. I was being serious. I don’t understand your rhetoric.

I think the difference now is that the attitude of progressive legislators is to pass bills regardless of how unconstitutional or illegal they may be. They do this knowing that it will either not be challenged, or that they can utilize the massive funding advantage of the state to wear their opponents down through lawfare. They are emboldened by the willingness of progressive appointed judges to engage in judicial activism. To top it all off, progressives are aware that there are only a couple of justices on the US supreme court that are relative strict constitutionalists.

I believe the "throw it against the wall and see what sticks" philosophy really took off under Barack Hussein and the pen that he wasn't afraid to use.

 

[EJFudd]

Nope. I promise I’m not.

I don’t think you understand Bruen or its implications, at all. But I think Healy does, and I have little doubt she will tell the Speaker to shut all of this down so that she won’t look bad when it gets overturned.

That’s my logic. What’s yours?

At least spell Healey correctly. Tell you what, I've posted plenty on how and why I feel the way I do. The search function is your friend.

Bruen is not coming in time to save us from the legislature. That's my opinion. You have yours. Now, we can agree to disagree. No more trolling me, okay?

 

[oldgunner]

I think the difference now is that the attitude of progressive legislators is to pass bills regardless of how unconstitutional or illegal they may be. They do this knowing that it will either not be challenged, or that they can utilize the massive funding advantage of the state to wear their opponents down through lawfare. They are emboldened by the willingness of progressive appointed judges to engage in judicial activism. To top it all off, progressives are aware that there are only a couple of justices on the US supreme court that are relative strict constitutionalists.

I believe the "throw it against the wall and see what sticks" philosophy really took off under Barack Hussein and the pen that he wasn't afraid to use.

That's exactly what's been going on at the federal level too. Another example is the ATF 'oredering' that pistol braces need to be destroyed or turned in within the next 120 days? Unfair you say? "Take me to court!" says the ATF

 

[Picton]

I think the difference now is that the attitude of progressive legislators is to pass bills regardless of how unconstitutional or illegal they may be. They do this knowing that it will either not be challenged, or that they can utilize the massive funding advantage of the state to wear their opponents down through lawfare. They are emboldened by the willingness of progressive appointed judges to engage in judicial activism. To top it all off, progressives are aware that there are only a couple of justices on the US supreme court that are relative strict constitutionalists.

I believe the "throw it against the wall and see what sticks" philosophy really took off under Barack Hussein and the pen that he wasn't afraid to use.

But you’re making my point for me.

The MA Legislature has not meaningfully changed in years. Why will they suddenly become activists now?

 

[Picton]

At least spell Healey correctly. Tell you what, I've posted plenty on how and why I feel the way I do. The search function is your friend.

Bruen is not coming in time to save us from the legislature. That's my opinion. You have yours. Now, we can agree to disagree. No more trolling me, okay?

Me: I don’t understand you. Explain your statements.

You: Stop trolling me.




…umm. Okay.

 

[Quantavious G]

But you’re making my point for me.

The MA Legislature has not meaningfully changed in years. Why will they suddenly become activists now?

Liberal hubris. Uncontested stolen elections have emboldened progressives. Even though Assachusetts legislators are in absolutely no danger of being deposed, they can now allow themselves to be swept up in the euphoria of dictatorial legislation.

The failure of the republipussies to combat election fraud has given progressives the green light to accelerate their plans for oppressive control of the population. Combined with the relief that many of their mandates will not be opposed is the glimmer of concern that if they push people too fast, they may push them to the point of non-passive resistance (as infinitesimally small as that possibility is).

You're right that the legislature hasn't changed meaningfully in years, but the times they are a changin' - rapidly.

 

[Picton]

You're right that the legislature hasn't changed meaningfully in years, but the times they are a changin' - rapidly.

They are. And some of those changes will benefit us in important ways.

My question is why some of you haven’t understood the 2A-related parts that have changed in our favor: Bruen. Some posters here sound like they’re are pretending Bruen never happened. I don’t understand how that’s being ignored among all the doom porn.

 

[Da_lucche]

They are. And some of those changes will benefit us in important ways.

My question is why some of you haven’t understood the 2A-related parts that have changed in our favor: Bruen. Some posters here sound like they’re are pretending Bruen never happened. I don’t understand how that’s being ignored among all the doom porn.

I think they will pass some softball legislation...mental health shit, maybe increase penalty for FFLs selling off roster handguns, etc. But big stuff like semi auto ban, microstamping, declaring pre 94 magazines to the state, will get no traction.

Just today, the ATF publishing their new rulings on braces and are giving people 120 days to get rid of em and get a "free" SBR tax stamp for it...in light of Bruen, I bet they backpedal on the ruling prior to the 120 days, just like they did with the M855 ruling back in 2014.

 

[Steve600]

We should all become social workers…..

 

[Coyote33]

My question is why some of you haven’t understood the 2A-related parts that have changed in our favor: Bruen. Some posters here sound like they’re are pretending Bruen never happened. I don’t understand how that’s being ignored among all the doom porn.

Of course, in Massachusetts, the only thing that really changed was the removal of restrictions. Pretty much everything else is happening in other states. In the Bruen discussion, it was made fairly clear that pretty much nothing else is affecting Massachusetts, and we need to just stand by and wait for something to eventually happen, hopefully.

 

[Picton]

Of course, in Massachusetts, the only thing that really changed was the removal of restrictions. Pretty much everything else is happening in other states. In the Bruen discussion, it was made fairly clear that pretty much nothing else is affecting Massachusetts, and we need to just stand by and wait for something to eventually happen, hopefully.

Comm2A is already on its way up the ladder of the court system. You might not have to wait as long if everyone would slide some donations their way...

 

[chuckules]

Of course, in Massachusetts, the only thing that really changed was the removal of restrictions.

Which was a very big deal for those under restrictions, and very quick (legally speaking).

 

[Coyote33]

This is FAR beyond 2020, and in major Donkdoms like Assachusetts and c***icut, it's been happening for a long, long time. It went supersonic in 2020 with Fraud-By-Mail, the thing international elections observers warn countries never, ever to do.

 

[MachineHead]

She’s got a State House and Senate ready to send her whatever she wants - Linsky and all the anti-gunners in MA are clearly aware of this. Fortunately, Bruen was decided and has been used like a machete to cut tons of bs laws in other states.

Some shit is clearly coming down the pipeline in MA and I’m hoping the Comm2A/FPC/etc printers have enough ink and paper.

Sorry if this video was already posted, but Linsky might get some shit to make it to Healey’s desk.

View: https://youtu.be/Im_TuoBclxg

 

[hunt4riches]

At least spell Healey correctly. Tell you what, I've posted plenty on how and why I feel the way I do. The search function is your friend.

Bruen is not coming in time to save us from the legislature. That's my opinion. You have yours. Now, we can agree to disagree. No more trolling me, okay?

You didn't spell it right either. It starts with a C and only has 4 letters...

 

[Quantavious G]

They are. And some of those changes will benefit us in important ways.

My question is why some of you haven’t understood the 2A-related parts that have changed in our favor: Bruen. Some posters here sound like they’re are pretending Bruen never happened. I don’t understand how that’s being ignored among all the doom porn.

You're right on both counts. I must admit my life experience has made me rather pessimistic. What I see, though is a government that staunchly resists the will of the people. They seem to do it mostly through administrative means. While the SC has ruled in our favor, the blue states resist, ignore, or administrate around their rulings. Yes, eventually after protracted expensive court battles, the states get smacked. Then they turn around and administrate around the rulings.

It's not just guns either. Who is against voter ID other than an illegal, a legislator, or an ACLU lawyer? Against tightening up voting laws - illegals, legislator, and ACLU lawyers. Who destroyed our energy independence, the people or the legislators? Now I know you'll say the people keep voting the legislators back into office, and thus get what they deserve. Let us for a moment absurdly postulate that there is no election fraud. Then the abundant examples of incompetence, mechanical failures, and clerical errors that have infected the voting process lately surely would warrant some investigation. Who stifles the investigation? Legislators.

You can dismiss it as doom porn. I'd like for you to be right. What I'm seeing though, is a legislative apparatus pushing the envelope of their power and consciously attempting to operate beyond the boundaries they have historically operated within. It's the era of the executive order, of new laws buried in 1000 page bills, of certain justices looking beyond the constitution when interpreting law. Interesting times, as the Chicoms would say.

 

[Picton]

What I'm seeing though, is a legislative apparatus pushing the envelope of their power...

THIS, though, is precisely what I do not see.

We're seeing the exact same bills filed in MA that are always filed, from the exact same Linskys. The Speaker of the House, with all the power to do whatever he wants to in MA, is the same Speaker that's been in that seat since DeLeo. The only thing that's changed meaningfully is the person in the Governor's office, and I (and many others) believe she is far, far smarter than Hochul, and is unlikely to risk a SCOTUS reversal on what would be, let's face it, a signature piece of legislation on guns.

Which would take away energy from her other priorities, which she cares much more about.

Time will tell. Obviously, none of us can tell the future, and we can't control what the government does. All we can control is our reaction to it. You can choose to be a realist, an optimist, or a pessimist. I'm realistic: Bruen has already made gun ownership AND CARRY much better here in MA. I don't see any logical reason why, in time, things will get dramatically worse.

 

[pastera]

Nope. I promise I’m not.

I don’t think you understand Bruen or its implications, at all. But I think Healy does, and I have little doubt she will tell the Speaker to shut all of this down so that she won’t look bad when it gets overturned.

That’s my logic. What’s yours?

This
Every bill needs to be reviewed for constitutionality at both state and federal level.
In order to get out of committee it has to have a least a mediocre chance of surviving a challenge.
Massachusetts current anti-gun regime is already at serious risk given the case law evolving around Bruen. If they push harder they know it is likely that the entire scheme crumbles.

 

[pastera]

Liberal hubris. Uncontested stolen elections have emboldened progressives. Even though Assachusetts legislators are in absolutely no danger of being deposed, they can now allow themselves to be swept up in the euphoria of dictatorial legislation.

The failure of the republipussies to combat election fraud has given progressives the green light to accelerate their plans for oppressive control of the population. Combined with the relief that many of their mandates will not be opposed is the glimmer of concern that if they push people too fast, they may push them to the point of non-passive resistance (as infinitesimally small as that possibility is).

You're right that the legislature hasn't changed meaningfully in years, but the times they are a changin' - rapidly.

Yes, the times are changing.

 

[oldgunner]

 

[TLB]

You're right on both counts. I must admit my life experience has made me rather pessimistic. What I see, though is a government that staunchly resists the will of the people. They seem to do it mostly through administrative means. While the SC has ruled in our favor, the blue states resist, ignore, or administrate around their rulings. Yes, eventually after protracted expensive court battles, the states get smacked. Then they turn around and administrate around the rulings.

It's not just guns either. Who is against voter ID other than an illegal, a legislator, or an ACLU lawyer? Against tightening up voting laws - illegals, legislator, and ACLU lawyers. Who destroyed our energy independence, the people or the legislators? Now I know you'll say the people keep voting the legislators back into office, and thus get what they deserve. Let us for a moment absurdly postulate that there is no election fraud. Then the abundant examples of incompetence, mechanical failures, and clerical errors that have infected the voting process lately surely would warrant some investigation. Who stifles the investigation? Legislators.

You can dismiss it as doom porn. I'd like for you to be right. What I'm seeing though, is a legislative apparatus pushing the envelope of their power and consciously attempting to operate beyond the boundaries they have historically operated within. It's the era of the executive order, of new laws buried in 1000 page bills, of certain justices looking beyond the constitution when interpreting law. Interesting times, as the Chicoms would say.

I unfortunately agree with you. Like pedos drawn to summer camps, schools, the Boy Scouts, and church, the draw of money and power is irresistible to the worst in our society. There are exceptions of course, like Rand and some others, but our government is filled with corrupt pols and bureaucrats lusting for money and power. The founding fathers knew what would happen eventually and they tried their best to prevent it. The end of the republic feels closer to me than it ever has. It's amazing some of what is going on when you really stop to think about it.... VDH runs through some of the issues in the article below.

A Country We No Longer Recognize, a Coup We Never Knew

Commentary Did someone or something seize control of the United States? What happened to the U.S. border? Where ...

www.theepochtimes.com

While national elections may correct some of our listing towards the progressive left at federal level, Mass is f***ed permanently, IMO. Pragmatic classical liberals are being overrun by progressive ideologues. I'm not even talking about guns here. The anthropogenic climate change farce along with the successful class warfare push the modify the constitution for a progressive income tax are huge negatives. I am planning to move out of here this year after living my entire life here and I have heard the same from a few others. Hopefully, the freer states will hold the line long enough for me to not care anymore.

 

[Coyote33]

We're seeing the exact same bills filed in MA that are always filed, from the exact same Linskys. The Speaker of the House, with all the power to do whatever he wants to in MA, is the same Speaker that's been in that seat since DeLeo. The only thing that's changed meaningfully is the person in the Governor's office, and I (and many others) believe she is far, far smarter than Hochul, and is unlikely to risk a SCOTUS reversal on what would be, let's face it, a signature piece of legislation on guns. Which would take away energy from her other priorities, which she cares much more about.

I agree with all of the above, BUT, the legislature will not be able to help themselves with knowing she is at the end of the legislative trail, and will sign ANYTHING they put in front of her that is anti-gun. Do you really think she would veto a gun control bill? Even if she is smart, she will sign it, and let them suffer with it and deflect from herself.

Time will tell. Obviously, none of us can tell the future, and we can't control what the government does. All we can control is our reaction to it. You can choose to be a realist, an optimist, or a pessimist. I'm realistic: Bruen has already made gun ownership AND CARRY much better here in MA. I don't see any logical reason why, in time, things will get dramatically worse.

Bruen has made things in MA a lot better for selected people in towns which were previously bad. It did not make things better for all gun owners in MA, at least not yet. This is where being a realist comes in.

This
Every bill needs to be reviewed for constitutionality at both state and federal level.
In order to get out of committee it has to have a least a mediocre chance of surviving a challenge.
Massachusetts current anti-gun regime is already at serious risk given the case law evolving around Bruen. If they push harder they know it is likely that the entire scheme crumbles.

Do you think that will really happen here? Really? She may be smart, but they are not. They are blinded by her being in office, and have pent up frustration at past years' "inaction". They are itching for something, anything, to happen.

 

[drgrant]

I honestly don't believe that, were the vote legit, they'd have quite the level of support they appear to now, with cheat-a-rama. Yes, even in Massatwoshits.

I can tell you that's the case here in the Constipation State, and already posted the news story where the SotS pretty much admitted it:

This year’s no-excuse absentee voting could become the norm | Republican American Archives

What little statistical anomaly would lead a reasonable person to conclude there's shenanigans?

I agree there is fraud, but states like MA are so commie at this point it doesn’t matter.

 

[drgrant]

Dude, we are talking about Massachusetts. Elections haven't mattered here for 30 or 40 years lol. If the legislature couldn't pass a revised AWB and a mag limitation of 7 rounds after Sandy Hook, while the idea of more pointless gun laws on the books is mind numbing, all of the "serious" stuff Linsky is pushing isn't going anywhere. I hope I am not wrong on this.

Even if they pass something they’re probably not going to appropriate the millions required for enforcement.

 

[SpaceCritter]

I agree there is fraud, but states like MA are so commie at this point it doesn’t matter.

Well, it may be surprising the degree to which that's gaslighting as opposed to bona fide sentiment, even in Massachusetts or Connecticut.

The trouble is, how to tell. The venerable old telephone poll doesn't work, cuz:

• People who Facebook.
• People who answer the phone for strange numbers.
• People who don't change their underwear.
• People who can protest during the work day.

Yup - same people.

 

[DW357]

Even if they pass something they’re probably not going to appropriate the millions required for enforcement.

Agreed