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Gov. Maura Healey pledges to push for strong gun laws in Massachusetts
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peterk123
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I remember seeing the same stats a few years ago. Horrible consequences if the earning population, i.e. middle aged white guys that nobody wants to hire anymore, move out in droves. Mass has a strong business base though, so it can get away with high debt for a long time. But it is trending like California in many ways, just a little bit slower. California is the canary in the coal mine.
No, those are indeed big wins, and good to happen. The thing is, you act as if that is affecting every gun owner in Massachusetts. Most cities and towns were already may issue and unrestricted. The people helped certainly needed it, but I think it is not as many as you imply.
ANY reversal of the state’s efforts at gun control increases freedom for ALL gun owners.
If you don’t see that, then cool. But that doesn’t make it wrong. It’s not about specific benefits to individual gun owners. It’s about forcing the state to comply with the constitution. It’s about limiting the government’s power.
If you are looking at an equation of GUN CONTROL on one side and NO GUN CONTROL on the other, as a state, then yes, it is an overall win. I thought the topic being discussed was about helping a majority of gun owners in the state, or more specifically, providing relief to a majority of gun owners. If they ALREADY HAD that relief, it was not adding ANYTHING to that side of the equation.
Dunning-Kruger rating 7/10.
Not sure if serious.... there are literally hundreds of people with restrictions in big dump cities in the state, that for decades that have now been freed from that bullshit.... where literally their only other shot at a normal license is to move and potentially still wait years till their shit town license expires. Lol you gripe about being poor in another thread here and then shit on Bruen like it's meaningless.... there are a lot of poor and low income gun owners in those BDCs tright now that would be like "wtf dude" .
Those people were the most adversely affected. People with better means could town shop or rig the system. All off these shit towns got legally f***ed directly in the ass with a telephone pole and you don’t think that was kind of a big deal? lol. Adults understand that these battles are a chain of marathons not a sprint. This "screaming MA gun owner toddler" mentality of "waaah why isn't nfa repealed now? I want my machinegun immediately!!!!" is not really rational with regards to.... reality.
pastera
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Hyperbole - I'm assuming you don't get it
True - Bruen's decision had exactly the effect it was supposed to have, define that the 2nd Amendment covers the right to bear arms in public.
And it did exactly that in Mass.
Licenses are a different issue.
Mag limits and AWBs are a different issue.
Those self same older folks that can't wait are the ones that sat on their hands and allowed things to get as bad as they are.Yep. Patience and frugality. Only problem is that some of us older folks don't have another hundred years to wait.
I'm in my 50's so while I have a few years to wait the fight is really for my kids and their children.
I agree. You hit the nail on the head. And as for guns being “#355” on her list… I don’t buy it. I think it is top 5 on her list. She is a rabid anti gunner. What is there to stop people like Linsky from getting their bills through now that Maura will 100% sign them? The lefts only goal is to see who can go further left. I’m sure Maura is certainly thinking of a statewide ban on gas ovens and stovetops too now that it has been mentioned. Some liberal towns already don’t allow them. She is crazy. She does not care about the constitution at all.
People should be more aware of how political rhetoric works. Prime example is the house GOP repealing Obamacare like 7 times when they knew they didnt control the senate or POTUS, then suddenly not being able to do it again once they controlled those. Happens on both sides of the isle. It's just political theater, and it is worth less than zero.
I don't follow MA politics enough to know which this is, but it's very likely just a case of political theater.
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MA gun crime and crime in general is low because of demographics and income level. Overlay a demographics map with an income map, weight it more heavily towards the former, and you basically have an accurate crime map of the US. It's not because of "weapons of war on the streets" or "demonrat cities".
EJFudd
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I found the numbers in the Boston GlobeDimocRAT. If true, 96% of all the LTCs in MA were already unrestricted. Interestingly, if you remove Boston and Springfield from the list, it goes up to about 99% unrestricted. So yes, as I've already acknowledged elsewhere, it was a really big f'ing deal for those shit city dwellers who were affected. But for the rest of us, it was of zero consequence. That's just a fact. So I stand by the statement that Bruen, so far, has had little real effect here.Dunning-Kruger rating 7/10.
Not sure if serious.... there are literally hundreds of people with restrictions in big dump cities in the state, that for decades that have now been freed from that bullshit.... where literally their only other shot at a normal license is to move and potentially still wait years till their shit town license expires. Lol you gripe about being poor in another thread here and then shit on Bruen like it's meaningless.... there are a lot of poor and low income gun owners in those BDCs tright now that would be like "wtf dude" .
Adults understand that these battles are a chain of marathons not a sprint. This "screaming MA gun owner toddler" mentality of "waaah why isn't nfa repealed now? I want my machinegun immediately!!!!" is not really rational with regards to.... reality.
EJFudd
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At least something we agree on!
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Retired-LEO
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She's a tyrannical b!tch
SFC13557
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Maura is far from a crazy Leftist, she's no AOC, Omar, Pressley, etc. As I've stated many times, she's a jock and a lawyer at heart, not a triggered Leftist/Socialist.
Since Maura is a lawyer, she's knows Bruen is a game changer and will let NY/NJ fall on their swords while keeping her powder dry.
I've had an unrestricted LTC for over 30 yrs, but can't own/carry a hi-cap mag, buy an AK or supposedly an AR or a Glock etc. and don't see Ma. changing in the next 10 yrs. on these issues.
Hope I'm wrong!
Yes remove the two largest cities in the state to bolster your poor argument.
You wouldn't be saying the same thing if you were part of that 1-3%. Temper your roll also with realizing that most LTCs in this state are issued to trap on sundays fudd democrats. For the people who live in those places who want to protect themselves lawfully Bruen is a pretty big deal.
Denying the effects of Bruen is the epitome of gun owner apathy. It's like those free state gun owners who are like "it doesn't affect me so i don't care" etc..... most of our battles are fought on the margins not the center.
If you were one of the people saddled with a restricted ltc you wouldn't be saying this. Over the years ive talked to dozens of people just here alone about it.Ooooh, huuuuuundreds. Out of hundreds of thousands total gun owners. You missed the "big picture".
View: https://youtu.be/nojWJ6-XmeQ
MA gun owners who don't think Bruen is important because they didn't immediately get the particular bag of candy they want... = spoiled immature brats who are clueless....
EJFudd
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Oh Lordy.Yes remove the two largest cities in the state to bolster your poor argument.
You wouldn't be saying the same thing if you were part of that 1-3%. Temper your roll also with realizing that most LTCs in this state are issued to trap on sundays fudd democrats. For the people who live in those places who want to protect themselves lawfully Bruen is a pretty big deal.
Denying the effects of Bruen is the epitome of gun owner apathy. It's like those free state gun owners who are like "it doesn't affect me so i don't care" etc..... most of our battles are fought on the margins not the center.
Read my post again. 
You totally missed this sentence: "So yes, as I've already acknowledged elsewhere, it was a really big f'ing deal for those shit city dwellers who were affected."If an anti gun bill gets passed it's going to be some other concoction from the cabal not something he authored by himself..... Linsky is basically a useful idiot to them, nothing more.
It still reads as a shit attitude to me. Full stop.... its insane. It reminds me of the people who said Heller wasn't important....Oh Lordy.
Charlie baker was 100% on board with signing any anti 2A bill that hit his desk as well.
Devalue the same. Remember one gun a month and all the other nonsense he pushed ?
Not much hit either desk.
MA. pols are too busy counting their graft to be bothering with that shit.
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I’d love to see some hard stats on crime committed by licensed persons vs. unlicensed. My guess is you don’t see that analysis because it doesn’t support the narrative.
Mass-diver
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Not sure if this was posted, but can someone share the article which said 96% of licenses were issued without restrictions? I’m aware of nearly identical data (96% and then 99% with Boston and Springfield) for LTC denial rates, is the glob(e) mixing the two?
She has a long, well-documented history of being a crazy lefty on the climate change BS.
Pointing out a fact is different than supporting it.
True.
Again, he is POINTING OUT THE NUMBERS. He is not saying anything regarding how good removing may issue and restrictions is. Just acknowledging what is reality.
Whether one is or is not a "part of that %" does not change the numbers. Pointing out the numbers does not show approval or disapproval. Why is this so hard for you?Yes remove the two largest cities in the state to bolster your poor argument.
You wouldn't be saying the same thing if you were part of that 1-3%. Temper your roll also with realizing that most LTCs in this state are issued to trap on sundays fudd democrats. For the people who live in those places who want to protect themselves lawfully Bruen is a pretty big deal.
Denying the effects of Bruen is the epitome of gun owner apathy. It's like those free state gun owners who are like "it doesn't affect me so i don't care" etc..... most of our battles are fought on the margins not the center.
Saying what? He was giving you actual numbers.
The first second nobody is looking, is when they will push something through.
Yes.Oh Lordy.
It is purely a math thing, not an "attitude" at all. Why are your panties in a knot?It still reads as a shit attitude to me. Full stop.... its insane. It reminds me of the people who said Heller wasn't important....
I absolutely believe we need to stay vigilant with any of this anti-gun bullshit in MA and not be complacent (because the anti-gunners sure aren’t). However, I’m not going to say the sky is falling each year when this shit comes up again.
pastera
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Not true - I copied his post and bolded the relevant section.
It is clear to anyone with basic reading comprehension skills that the intent of @EJFudd's post is that because only a small percentage of people in Mass were positively effected that Bruen was essentially irrelevant.
Because for those that were helped by Bruen it was a big deal.
Research is done to find cures for rare diseases - should we not spend money and time so save such a small percentage of people?
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