I do like my 45. And it fits in the holsters for the 19/23 alsoG19x is more like a gen 4.5
G45 is the greatest pistol Glock ever made
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I do like my 45. And it fits in the holsters for the 19/23 alsoG19x is more like a gen 4.5
G45 is the greatest pistol Glock ever made
Also lnown as a platinum inlaid, Winged, magical Unicorn these days.need a VR80 for 3-gun first.
I got mine in March for $475.Also lnown as a platinum inlaid, Winged, magical Unicorn these days.
They have been hard to come by. Nice pickup.I got mine in March for $475.
Bore axis and slide weight higher on VP9 vs glock, so feels snappier if you shoot one after the other. So glocks have quicker follow-up shots for me. But I went with VP9 for many of the reasons already listed by others.
Get bothGreat replies thank you.
If this helps, The G17 is a Gen 4 Summer special, steel night sights, front serrations, extended slide and mag releases and 3 mags
The VP9 is LE with night sights and 3 mags
this is propagated ad nauseum and inaccurate
momentum is conserved. a 9mm coming from a glock or a VP9 produces the same momentum assuming velocity is the same, which it is. so why does a VP9 feel snappy? because the cycling time is shorter due to a heavier recoil spring. why does HK use such a heavy recoil spring? because they use an overly heavy striker spring. a striker fire action "cocks on closing", as oppose to a hammer fired pistol (TDA) which "cocks on opening". it's relevant because on an SFA the recoil spring MUST overpower the striker spring or else the pistol will fail to return to battery. this was an issue with VP9's especially when running suppressed resulting in more gas pushing out the ejection port and added muzzle weight interfering with slide movement (the latter due to the barrel hood pushing upward on the slide). HK remedied the problem by using an insanely strong RSA, which again shortens cycling time. don't believe me? compare the RSA weight between a VP9 and a G17. then remove the slides and try cocking the strikers by hand. the VP9 has a stupid heavy striker spring. i'm not sure why but i wouldn't worry about light strikes on a VP9 and i've never heard of it.
the effects of cycling time on perceived recoil is best highlighted by direct blowback 380's which often feel "snappier" than equally weighted 9mm browning actions, as the latter can benefit from a softer recoil spring due to delayed unlocking.
Ok, so we agree one feels snappier than the other, but the reasons I gave are not the correct reasons why?
I think this basically comes back around to the truth of the matter. If it fits you and is exceptionally reliable does it really matter? Essentially all service handguns of this nature M&P9 2.0, G17/9, VP9, 509, 320 it's really all the same shit with slight differences. Rent one or find a friend with them. Find which shoots best for you and move along.You guys are entering a dumb semantics extension cord mess battle.
it is incontrovertible that a VP9 has a different (Read as, "worse") bore axis, whether this makes a difference or not is up in the air.
I think what he is getting at is that the physics don't change (because of the law of conservation of energy) but that isn't entirely true wrt "felt" recoil. The "recoil impulse energy vs time" thing is different on different handguns. This can make recoil "feel" different. I actually find Glocks snappier, but the sights return faster, frankly, than most others. There's even differences between guns. For example my Gen 3 G34 is "snappier" than my Gen 5 because the Gen5 has a dual spring recoil system, and this literally changes how the gun feels during recoil. Guns like a VP9, most sigs, etc, tend to have a "lumpier" or slower recoil, but results are going to vary depending on whose hands the gun is in. I have a friend who is a lurker on this board and never posts. If you watch him shoot any of these handguns, stuff like "bore axis" is almost meaningless to him, because his hands are big enough that he can easily control any handgun. His split times shooting a bucking bronco high bore axis pistol, like an USPc .45 vs a Glock 19, lets say, aren't going to be much different because of how damn big his hands and forearms are.
I own both...when I wanted to change out the grips on the VP I had to order the specially sized punch that didn’t come with it and got to wait for 2 weeks. Whereas when you make an alteration to a Glock it takes about 5 minutes. Kind of left me with a sour taste. VP9 is a very smooth shooter though my wife keeps it as her night stand gun.
this is propagated ad nauseum and inaccurate
momentum is conserved. a 9mm coming from a glock or a VP9 produces the same momentum assuming velocity is the same, which it is. so why does a VP9 feel snappy? because the cycling time is shorter due to a heavier recoil spring. why does HK use such a heavy recoil spring? because they use an overly heavy striker spring. a striker fire action "cocks on closing", as oppose to a hammer fired pistol (TDA) which "cocks on opening". it's relevant because on an SFA the recoil spring MUST overpower the striker spring or else the pistol will fail to return to battery. this was an issue with VP9's especially when running suppressed resulting in more gas pushing out the ejection port and added muzzle weight interfering with slide movement (the latter due to the barrel hood pushing upward on the slide). HK remedied the problem by using an insanely strong RSA, which again shortens cycling time. don't believe me? compare the RSA weight between a VP9 and a G17. then remove the slides and try cocking the strikers by hand. the VP9 has a stupid heavy striker spring. i'm not sure why but i wouldn't worry about light strikes on a VP9 and i've never heard of it.
the effects of cycling time on perceived recoil is best highlighted by direct blowback 380's which often feel "snappier" than equally weighted 9mm browning actions, as the latter can benefit from a softer recoil spring due to delayed unlocking.
I needed a 2.8mm roll pin punch and a good bit of hammering for the VP9. Tried improvising and using a 3/32” or Glock tool, but neither worked for me.Five min for Glock or specialty hk tool? You are doing it wrong.
If you're never going to carry it then I would suggest opening your options a bit, to something that's going to be way more satisfying to shoot.... something like this Legion P226-SAO....
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or something else like that, that is heavier and has a trigger that breaks nicely. Yes I realize guns in this class cost more, but if you're not carrying them, stuff like this is way more enjoyable to shoot....
Or save $600 and get a CZ. I love the look of P series Legions but the CZs shoot better.
As someone who has both, imo They're not that much different. I have a Shadow 2 SA and a 226 SAO Legion. They're both firmly neck and neck, the only edge the Shadow has is lower bore axis/greater weight... but both are fun to shoot at the range.Or save $600 and get a CZ. I love the look of P series Legions but the CZs shoot better.
As someone who has both, imo They're not that much different. I have a Shadow 2 SA and a 226 SAO Legion. They're both firmly neck and neck, the only edge the Shadow has is lower bore axis/greater weight... but both are fun to shoot at the range.
Obviously some people are way touchier when it comes to triggers. If you're in MA and plan for it to be more than a range toy (and care about pre-ban) just get the Glock. Very happy with my Gen 5 17 MOS
I’m a trigger snob. But in a competition it’s never helped me. Lol.