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All the more interesting since they ship everything for the CMP.
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FedEx Refuses to ship Cody Wilson's Ghost Gunner Mill
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It's a small, enclosed, general purpose CNC. It is being marketed as an easy way to turn 80% receivers into firearms.
Yes but marketing is one thing, I was wondering about how reality matches up against marketing from people who have one and or know what they are talking about. ..
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This is exactly what I said would have to happen back when Westford was trying to get that town-wide assault weapon ban passed a couple of years back.
The stated goal of the ban was to "get assault weapons out of town". The logical extension of that - once you gain a full understanding of the alleged problem - is that tools must be banned too. Otherwise somebody might just go make one in their basement.
I think only a handful are out there - there was one that a TX open carry group or somesuch got and they milled a receiver on the statehouse steps. But as far as I know nobody else who has ordered one has received it yet.
Some people can't stop themselves from trying to make a point. Even if they screw themselves in the bargain.
Personally I think it's much more effective if somebody is trying to screw you - to just ignore them, go behind their back -and do whatever you were trying to do anyway for as long as you can without them finding out.
He shouldn't have promoted them as anything to do with guns. Ship as many out as possible and get them into the hands of as many people as possible. That goes much further towards subsuming the liberal gun grabber agenda.
You get a lot more publicity, a lot more people opening their eyes, when your goals are higher than just $$$$. I believe Cody Wilson's goals are more than just capitalizing on the publicity. But even if they aren't, what he's doing is exposing certain realities which IMHO is that "you're only as free as they say you are, you have these rights but you can only use them in the ways they tell you that you can use them."
In case you weren't paying attention, the Ghost Gunner machine itself isn't anything more than a standard CNC machine (physically). Symbolically however, what it represents, it's meaning, that's what the state wants to control. I think that's what Cody Wilson (without putting words in his mouth) wants to get across. It's whole premise is to expose the sheer stupidity of the bleeding heart statists and collectivists, and of course to highlight what our rights actually are, when someone tries to use them.
Rights aren't rights if they're just words on a piece of paper.
“This is a way to jab at the bleeding hearts of these total statists,” - #CodyWilson
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I think this was mentioned earlier - but it sounds like FedEx would use the " it's regulated" excuse for shipping that stuff.
I completely get the point - and I'm familiar with what he thinks he's trying to do. My problem is that I've seen far too many people think they're going down this road when they're "challenging the man" - and get either nowhere - or end up screwed over by the man.
IMHO it's far more productive in the long term to just quietly work behind the scenes to subvert stuff - than it is to overtly challenge authority. When you work behind the scenes at subversion - if the subversion works (and it will if the thing you are trying to subvert is sufficiently screwed up) - then what happens is that the target of subversion collapses sooner or later of it's own weight. And when the collapse comes - it comes as a surprise because the target never knew what was going on.
When somebody like Wilson does what he does - he paints a target on his back - and he also alerts "the man" on a potential enemy. This gives them time to adapt. By giving them that opportunity (to adapt) - you're prolonging their reign - not making it end sooner.
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And whom should force them to enforce their rules conistently? FedEx is free to ship whatever they want to or not (within the bounds of law). They don't have to be consistent in their rules, that's their choice in a free market world. Cody's and your choice is to use another shipper, and tell people why.
Quite possible. If so, then maybe vilify the bully a bit more than the victim.
Personally I suspect it more likely that FedEx is acting in abundance of caution as defined by gaggle of hoplophobic pet lawyers and accountants. f'em
Well guess what? Challenging the state is one of the most patriotic and brave things any one of us as individuals can do. As kids we're told to go along to get along and not make any waves. God forbid we ever challenge our parents. Well guess what? This is AMERICA, we're a country of young people, innovators, mom and pops and most importantly, REBELS. For me, the state isn't a grown up version of my adult Parents. Challenging the state is what WE DO, or at least what we should be doing anyways. Where's your fighting spirit? What are you gonna do go hide in your basement with all your guns and ammo until go time? Guess what buddy, for Cody Wilson, now is go time.
That's what Cody Wilson is doing. He's exposing them. He's exposing the aggression of the state to any that might be watching. He's doing it in a measured way, just enough for us to take a peek at what and who is behind the curtain. Maybe, just maybe, they might over-react, and "send in the waco killers", at which time we'll all get to see the fireworks again. Not that it would matter, no. We'd all move on after a week or two to buying our next iPad.
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[h=1]FedEx, UPS Say They Won't Ship 'Ghost Gunner' Machines[/h]http://kut.org/post/fedex-ups-say-they-wont-ship-ghost-gunner-machines
So, now UPS has also decided not to ship the GG and the USPS hasn't made a decision yet?
Makes we wonder if there isn't a method to the madness of the person or agency behind this?
If the USPS does accept shipments (Wilson claims "they have to"), it would enable and simplify the governments
ability to know whom ordered and possess a GG.
That article is full of inaccuracies. They called the GG a "3D printer" when it is CLEARLY not.
I had to post a comment calling this out. If you are going to be Anti, at least have the facts right.
the facts don't matter. What matters is the ensuing PR nightmare that FedEx and UPS would have to endure from the scumbag liberal media when some random shooting took place. All of a sudden it's "leaked" that the shooter used one of these machines to finish the lower receiver used in his crime. I can hear that douchenozzle rep from CA on the Communist News Network with that mutant freak Wolf Blitzer right now: "I warned you all about Ghost Guns". Nevermind how unlikely the whole scenario would be, because, anyone using this to complete a lower would still have to get uppers, and all kinds of other parts. This would LITERALLY be the hardest way to do it. There are so many easier ways for someone to obtain a gun illegally than to buy one of these machines.
Nevertheless, we'd see FedEx's or UPS's Logos all over the libtopian propaganda media (MSLSD, washington compost, NY Slimes) with giant headlines like "shippers of death" etc.
It's a lose / lose for them. There's absolutely no upside for them here, and a large potential downside in terms of legal / financial costs.
Nevertheless, we'd see FedEx's or UPS's Logos all over the libtopian propaganda media (MSLSD, washington compost, NY Slimes) with giant headlines like "shippers of death" etc.
It's a lose / lose for them. There's absolutely no upside for them here, and a large potential downside in terms of legal / financial costs.
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The state doesn't need to be exposed - it needs to be destroyed.
The state has been exposed time and time and time again - yet it's still here. Fighting it - is acknowledging it. Ignoring it completely pisses it off even more.
Have you ever spent any time around women? Which pisses them off more ? Acknowledging them and fighting with them - or just ignoring them?
To crazy women - and the state - any attention is good attention.
I don't know...yesterday I had never heard of this company's product and had no desire to have it. Today I've decided I NEED one.
I'll have to look further into the product. will it mill anything? is it manual, or set with a program that you just push a button? lots of questions, but not a lot of info on the web
It'd be awesome if it did all the milling. Put in an aluminum block and it produces a lower (instead of buying an 80%)
I'll have to look further into the product. will it mill anything? is it manual, or set with a program that you just push a button? lots of questions, but not a lot of info on the web
It'd be awesome if it did all the milling. Put in an aluminum block and it produces a lower (instead of buying an 80%)
Oh really? So they're going to stop shipping "gun parts" from how many thousands of different parts vendors that do not have FFLs? To how many more hundreds of thousands or millions of people who also do not have FFLs?
$1500, but yeah. Are these things less capable than a more traditional mill w/CNC upgrades etc? Probably just by build area alone. But personally I like the idea of something compact like this. It should be able to make something as large as a handgun frame.
No they don't. They can do whatever they want. Don't like it? Don't use them. Now if they said they don't ship things for Spanish people or something like that, they'd have a bad time. (although I don't think that's right either)
Respectfully, they are engaged in a practice that discriminates against my civil rights. I have the undisputed right to keep and bear arms, and by limiting my presumably legal ability to make my own firearms, they are restricting my civil rights. As they are a common carrier, any act which compromises the practice of a natural right needs to be subject to strict scrutiny. Would it be any different if Comcast decided they would no longer provide access firearms websites? Or a phone company saying they will not provide service to a firearm company?
Their company, their rules, but they need to stick to the stated rules.
Just lie if you don't want to say, jesus. It's a private company and if they want to ask before they'll ship, it's their right to.
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They're not a government entity.
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Yes, they are not a government entity, however as a common carrier, they cannot refuse transport of legal goods without a compelling reason. "Guns are icky" is NOT a compelling reason. If it were HazMat and they did not have the capability to handle it, that would be acceptable. This is the law in the US.
These quotes were pulled from an old legal reference book my Great-Grandfather was issued as part of his duties at Consolidated Edison. A common carrier cannot refuse a shipment of legal goods unless there is a specific and tangible issue with the goods. (Declared value too high, not enough space, can't mix types of HazMat etc.) Once they decide to serve the public, they have to abide by a set of rules, those rules limit some of the "freedom to choose" / "right to refuse service" that they might otherwise enjoy as a contract carrier.
