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Denied FID renewal

Discussion in 'Massachusetts Laws' started by XavierHaverhill, Jun 18, 2019.

  1. XavierHaverhill

    XavierHaverhill

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    Got my FID in 2013 and a shotgun and a safe. My FID expired in April so I made sure to have my interview in February. April roles around and no news. State says it's waiting on Haverhill. May roles around, same deal. I finally email the detective and he call me back. I'm working so I don't answer. I call him, no answer and he emails me back saying the captain had an issue with my record.

    Called the state a week after and was told I'm approved and it's being printed! Squeaky wheel!

    Yesterday I got a letter stating the are petitioning the court to deny me based on my "extensive criminal record."

    I don't have the money to take this to court. Everything looks like it's $200 just to file the appeal. What should I do?
     
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  2. wilson911

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    Move out of MA. That's why I did. Also, get a lawyer.
     
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  3. Fixxah

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    Erase this thread and get in touch with Comm2A.
     
  4. XavierHaverhill

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    Why erase?
    W
     
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  5. jpm

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    Did you make sure you disclosed all of your prior charges, arrests, etc on your application?
     
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  6. XavierHaverhill

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    Yes. And did that previously in 2012/13. I've been an angel for 14 years. They also kept my old files from 6 years ago
     
  7. Fixxah

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    Some folks never learn.
     
  8. XavierHaverhill

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    Well I reached out to comm2a. I have a friend who is taking transfer of my gun. Deleting this thread isn't going to help anything... I have 90 days to appeal, and I will do that.

    The law states that the court will hold a hearing, but doesn't say if I'm inviting. It also says with 90/15/75 days. No details on how the hearing works
     
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  9. headednorth

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    I'd contact Comm2A. If they cant help, they can at the very least refer you to someone who can.

    As far as erasing the thread, board is monitored by LE and anything you write here can be used against you potentially. May be just paranoia, but you'll get better advice from a lawyer than random people on the internet so why risk it.
     
  10. johnnymac101

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    Damn, good luck!
     
  11. 42!

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    You definitely should be notified and can appear.
    It's an administrative hearing, not a trial. The standard of evidence is very low, hearsay is admissible.
    You have no chance alone and slim with an attorney, you should plan on appealing the finding.
    The standard in the current law is "risk to public safety", but judges are more than happy yo use the old standard of "broad discretion" they may even cite it in their finding.
    Assuming you disclosed everything, nothing has happened since then, and it's a renewal, you may actually have a chance. The standard has been lower since 2013. The logic that it wasn't bad enough then so it's not bad enough now might work, CALL A LAWYER!

    This all assumes it's a suitability denial, and not a past criminal record catching up with you.

    Don't comment on specifics, but let us know how it works out.
     
  12. XavierHaverhill

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    Suitability. I also obeyed the order to surrender my firearm. Sad day.

     
  13. 42!

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    Is it the same Licensing Officer/town for the renewal as the original. I have to say it's weird to get a suitability denial on a renew unless something changed.

    Contact a lawyer, make sure it's one specializing in firearms law. If he isn't known on NES he isn't worth it. I didn't find Comm2a to be any help but circumstances differ and it's worth reaching out to them. Your history will play a big part.

    I'd be willing to trade details/experiences but it would be via PM, and since you're new and not even Green you get to go first.

    As always, I am not a lawyer. I offer my opinions and nothing more.
     
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    I think you're in a very good position to win the fid if they seek judicial disapproval. You've had access to guns all this time with no concerns. That's good proof of suitability.
     
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    The hearing works as defined in Chapter 140, Section 129B (1 1/2). You will receive a notice from the court. There's nothing to appeal (yet), so put away your $200.

    In 2014, the law changed allowing a police chief to deny/suspend/revoke an FID based on suitability. Before that, the FID was a SHALL ISSUE. It's not anymore, but the chief has to ask the court to do his dirty work.

     
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  17. XavierHaverhill

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    I can't seem to find anyone else that has dealt with this. The law says what is supposed to happen so I'll try to keep the faith
     
  18. SERE

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    Listen to nstassel and swatgig. Go read some of their posts, then be happy you found them. Good luck.
     
  19. M1911

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    nstassel and swatgig are attorneys. Listen to them. Call Comm2a. You will need an attorney to represent you in the FID hearing. Call up a competent firearms attorney (like Neil Tassel or Jason Guida) and ask them how much it would cost to represent you in this matter if Comm2a is unable to do so.
     
  20. ISOTOX

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    This one is not passing the sniff test for me. Several have given the OP the suggestion to reach out to 2A, several have given other suggestions. OP continues to tell us why he cant or makes some other incoherent statement. Just saying...o_O
     
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  21. XavierHaverhill

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    Thanks. I will try to retain a lawyer for the appeal. For the initial hearing I will be there myself. I will be studying the laws and putting my public speaking classes to the test. I am fortunate to be cool under pressure and fairly intelligent
     
  22. XavierHaverhill

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    I have reached out to a lawyer and comm2a. I haven't continued to give excuses. I don't think I am being incoherent in the least. If you eouwo like my replies in the form of an essay I would be happy to do that.
     
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    I strongly suggest that you have an attorney for the initial hearing. When it comes to legal proceedings, if you make a mistake early on it can be difficult (read expensive) or impossible to recover from it later.
     
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    So, you are going to represent yourself? Seeing as you came here to NES to ask about the laws I wouldn't be betting against the complexities of MA gun laws. They are not your friend.

    "A man who is his own lawyer has a fool for his client"

     
  25. Woodsy

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    An FYI to all on any renewal be sure to list everything. Even a case that was dropped, dismissed etc doesn’t matter if it was 30 years ago. They are digging through files all the time and crap like that will turn up. Fact.
     
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  26. XavierHaverhill

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    All listed.
     
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    LOL you’ll fit right in to the NES community.

    Lots of great advice above. Have good legal representation for the hearing. It will cost you some $$ up front but it will be cheaper in the long run. It ups the odds of winning at the hearing. It also sets the ground work if it goes further. It will also keep you from saying something stupid and shooting yourself in the foot.

    Remember the hearing is in “their” house under “their” rules and you won’t even know all the rules.

    Good luck.

    Bob
     
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    “U can get a good look at a T-bone steak by sticking your head up a bull’s ass but I would take the butchers word for it” Tommy Boy. DUDE!...get some competent representation and don’t be foolish! Good luck
     
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    Is Fred still the LO in Haverhill? They have always been very LTC-A unrestricted friendly even when the chief and mayor aren't completely. I always tell people, if you think you'll be denied in MA, don't even apply because getting denied can follow you to other states.
     
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    Listen to the advice above
     

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