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Can you be a weee bit more condescending?economic exploitation of the poor and minorities.
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Can you be a weee bit more condescending?economic exploitation of the poor and minorities.
corporate takeover of the government
I know I feel better with a gun in my safe.
I voted for him because I just couldn't stomach Sarah Palin in a position of power. If she had ended up as president, I think that might have been the most dangerous situation for our country since Russia got the nuclear bomb. But I'm never going to make the mistake of voting for anyone like him again.
... There are pro-gun Democrats and anti-gun Republicans, some of these pro-gun Democrats are in the Mass General Court (state legislature to you non-Ma**h***s). If you don't believe that, simply look at the GOAL ratings for each office holder or candidate.
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I have reached the point in my own voting, where 2A position is the only position that makes a difference to me. The reason is quite simple, ownership of a firearm is the only guarantee of my own personal liberty and safety and those of my loved ones.
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I do not vote issues anymore, I vote what is for me, THE ISSUE...
corporate takeover of the government
The "clinging to guns and religion" comment was the most telling of all. That is when his true opinion came through. Obama is a liar and a coward and a hypocrite. I believed he would do something positive towards ending the "war on drugs", given his frequent usage of them during his life, and yet he has done nothing useful at all. The "fast and furious" scandal is the final nail in the coffin. I voted for him because I just couldn't stomach Sarah Palin in a position of power. If she had ended up as president, I think that might have been the most dangerous situation for our country since Russia got the nuclear bomb. But I'm never going to make the mistake of voting for anyone like him again.
economic exploitation of the poor and minorities
Can you be a weee bit more condescending?
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I fear Gov takeover of corporations wayyyyy more.
What power does a corporation have over me? They can berrade me ads to buy their product. That is about all.
Gov can throw me in jail and take away all my possessions that I have worked for, my freedom, and my life.
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Lesson learned. Hope that you aren't voting for him this time around.
Punctuation is your friend.
That's cool, right?
Actually, when corporations and government become too close, they can do those things, too, but for their own economic interests. Corporations can sue the crap out of you, tying up your financial resources and almost guaranteeing you lose, because they can afford more lawyer than you can. Corporations can pollute your environment, sell you cancer-causing chemicals in the form of cigarettes or window cleaner,, and make sure that you have an unsafe work environment, because it's cheaper than a safe one. They can pay you substandard wages because, hey, they can, and that means more for them, to hell with you and your wife, kids, sick parents, whatever.
I'm not saying that all corporations do, but the big, powerful, multinational ones especially have the swing as well as the motivation to do at least some of these things. The Chinese sell us poisoned pet food and toxic toys, and what did they suffer for it, exactly? Ban on goods? Tariffs? Factories shut down? Temporary slowdown of production, because the "right" people are making money from those business practices.
The whole point of a government is to try to even the playing ground a bit-- you might work for your bosses, but that doesn't elevate them into a demi-god status where they should be able to haphazardly control your health, safety, and every waking moment of your life. Unfortunately, when the government isn't doing its job (aka now) then people suffer needlessly so a chosen few can become unbelievably wealthy.
That is the power a private interest can hold over you when the government is not doing its primary job, which is unilaterally guaranteeing the rights of its people, regardless of any other affiliation or status they may have.
Moreover, those voting for idiots we have running this state aren't going escape responsibility and our wrath for having done so.No, it's really not. Democrats are literally ruining this country and I simply can't be "cool" with that.
In a recent Hangdun 101 class that I attended at Sig Academy with my wife, way more than half of the students were Democrats. It actually came up in class. If you're one of the Republican/Libertarian gun supporters, I suggest you actually welcome this fact. You're pro gun, pro 2A. The people in this class who are Democrats are pro gun and pro 2A. That means more pro-gun and more pro-2A people! That's a good thing, right?
But it's not good for everyone, obviously. Some of us think other things are equally important in the grand scheme of things.
So, while you may enjoy it, I don't think it's such a great idea to be bashing the crap out of people who post in this thread and say they're Democrats and they support gun rights. If you think they're deluded and misguided... fine. But at least shake their hand and welcome their support of gun ownership and the second amendment. That's cool, right? It's something we can all agree on, right?
in all reality A big reason why i am independent is because I believe we need both republicans and democrats to run this country!
So you suggest we mix flesh eating virus and ebola together to cure cancer? Not sure how that makes any sense.
This isn't like "dogs and cats, living together". Your suggestion is like trying to tell us that termites and roaches can have a collaboration to help america. Meanwhile, in reality, both are destroying it in their own unique ways.
-Mike
Is this thread still open??
See my prior post, no argument there, particularly and increasingly since 1968, the Republicrats have been less and less distinguishable from the Democrats, but the issue is not that the Republicans have been gun grabbers and the Democrats have been fighting the good fight for our rights.
The issue is that the Republicans have been regressing to what the Democrat politicians have always been...
The is particularly true on the gun issue, but ever year has become more true on economic issues as well.
This is why I have been working to change the Republican party. It is presently broken. Notably though, most of its brokenness is in that it has adopted the socialist, gun grabbing, class warrior ways the Democrat party has always held as core values.
Your examples are valid and indictments on the present and recent state of the republican party. However, these are examples, like "medicare part D" that show the republicans acting like democrats rather than distinguishing them from the democrat party.
Frankly, I have known many people who vote democrat who's principles, desires and circumstances are in direct conflict with the party's actual policies and actions, but often align with he slogans and catch phrases.
I've resisted the urge to kill it because it's only partially mind numbing (and some good points have been brought up here) although I'm sure the train will arrive at the appropriate station in short order.
-Mike
Have to agree about some good points, but some comments show that people have only scratched the surface and not looked any deeper into the economic issues, including the removal of the Glass-Steagle act, the community re-investiment act and the twins Dodd and Frank threats to banks as well as their involvement in FannieMae and FreddieMac (basically a large responsibility for the false economic boon of the Clinton years)......cam't bear reading this much more.........
Cite some more Fox-News, Limbaugh and InfoWars crap the maniacs have put into your head.
In FACT, The Glass-Steaglle act (spelled correctly for you) PREVENTED the kind of shenanigans that precipitated the downfall of 2008. It was the Graham-Leach act, passed July 1, 1999, by a vote of 343-86 (Republicans 205–16; Democrats 138–69; Independent 0–1),
That set the stage for 2008. A vote only 16 Republicans out of 231 voted against, while less than 50% of Dems voted for it.
The Graham-Leach Act is named for two REPUBLICAN congressmen/senators.
You can go back to 1930s legislation all you want to. The bottom line is that from 1936 to 1968, the USA was doing fine under overwhelmingly democratically Democrat leadership.
From 1972 onwards, we've had consistently MASSIVE deficits and debt, except when a Democrat has been in office. That's a fact, look it up.
Only the ideologues claim anything else. Again, I am NOT a Democrat. The DNC policy on gun control would send me away howling if nothing else did.
But the pretense that the Rs are anything other than a shill and sham for the monied classes is a pathetic joke. It's only through a combination of religion and racism and jingoism that the GOP has retained any semblance whatever of credibility. And that, primarily among people to willing to accept conspiracy theory, a counter-factual view of history and a paranoid view of "assault of their values" as the main constituency.
The Republican party has gone from an ideological movement in the mid 80s to a cynical, power-hungry group with ZERO principles, other than staying in power and enriching their supporters.
As much as I despise the Dems, (and Brother, I DO despise them) at least they've stayed true to some semblance aof a coherent national policy and won't sell the entire country out AS A PARTY merely to gain power.
I despise both parties, for different reasons.
But pretending that the R's are anything other than cynical, non-principled scum at this point is willful ignorance. We've had about 10 different tries from Obama to arrive at a compromise. A GENUINE compromise. The Rs have doubled down on making this a failed presidency because it suits their political ends. Not out of principle, not out of patriotism. Out of simple, unvarnished lust for power.
The Dems offered 10-1 spending cuts to tax increases and it was rejected. The Dems have actually presided over economic prosperity over the last 20 years. The Rs have presided over massive wealth transfers to the very wealthy while middle America got screwed. That's a FACT, not spin or anything else.
There's no question in my mind that BOTH parties put the interest of Wall St. ahead of most other factors. There's some validity in that as wealth to SOME extent, really DOES "trickle down."
But the R's have been plain whores to the great monied interests while the Dems have attempted to keep some semblance of balance.
Hell, you guy nominate the author of Obamacare while in the ame sentence saying how awful and evil it is.
I agree it's evil. they should have done Medicare for all and have done with it. That's what happens when you elect a Rookie in an exceptional year. -Obama didn't have the ideas or the balls to push thru the OBVIOUS right thing. It was WORSE than nothing because it cemented in lot's of people's heads the idea that government can't work.
I don't subscribe to that theory. I never have.
Government should be doing what private industry can't or won't. Healthcare is among those. So is streets, sewers, police, fire-protection and national defense.
And FWIW, Medicare for all wouldn't have got past a single federal court judge. Spending money is within the purview of Congress, period, end of story.
This all or nothing approach that the extremes always advocate is futile, non-productive and not in ANY way conservative. Burke would spit on the current GOP, as would Oakeshot. It's NOT conservative, no matter how many times FOX and Limbaugh try to pretend that their radical right ideologies are. %The GOP is at present, a group that's unhinged from all reality, immune to all fact and argument and dedicated to one and ONLY one principle: Get Power No Matter What It Takes.
The hatred of Obama, at best a well-meaning naif, at worst a well-meaning naif, is nonsensical. It always has been. The Obama haters here are easily motivated sheeo without a second of thought for themselves. They're being maniupulated by much more sophisticated, much smarter people into thinking that the ****** is the end of the world when at worst he's a ho-hum non-entity.
I would feel differently if this board wasn't 99% pro bush prior to 2007. But they were. A president who presided over VASTLY more spending than Obama, with LESS excuse, an increase of Federal authority that makes ACA look like NOTHING, but that was all fine.
But let Fox News start raising Hell, Let a D win the WH, and all of a sudden the VERY same people start having screaming tizzys over the things they were defending five minutes before.
Obama didn't create this economy. the Republicans, with 14 years total control over congress, Senate and 8 of the Presidency did that one. He's cleaning up the mess your buddies did. Not doing a great job, but iof you think for one second I'm going to vote for a shill and sham like Romney, you're high. Ron Paul as a write-in. the one guy that's run on the GOP ticket since Reagan I could actually get behind and he's DESTROYED by the same network of power0-hungry, corrupt scum that you guys like to rail about when they have D by their name, but ignore when it's done by the Rs.
MilitaryPolice said:I also have to agree with 99% of this post. Now I'm just waiting for the sh*t-storm of posts to follow from the die hard repubs in this forum who will be foaming at the mouth before finishing this post. Get ready for the "your a p*ssy liberal, you're a commie, and you hate freedom" comments to begin.