CPAC: Donald Trump voters warn of 'civil war' if he loses - and say 'we'll take up arms'

[VTski4x4]

As I said, how does the last 7 years become undone. I'm willing to listen.

It involves lining up friends, family, politicians, neighbors, even significan others - anyone who pushed for lockdowns, Vax mandate, BLM riots, force of government - and doing what any evil dictator did to their dissidents. That's the real answer, but that is far from reality in a civilized world. If life gets really hard, don't be surprised if small groups don't start doing that.

 

[Ron Jablonski]

They'll get a taste and change their minds when the other shoe drops.

100%, it might sound good to them in theory because of their conditioning but when it comes time to actually make hard choices the majority will just be wet noodles succumbing to the laws of gravity.

 

[HARRYM]

It’s been admitted that most of the people that died died because of being on ventilators long-term.

The smartest men in the room should know that long tern ventilator use was a problem with Covid and actually has been well known as a problem for long term users before Covid.

It incenses me that in spite of all the Covid "facts" they spoon fed us that proved to be WRONG we still have Covid Fear Mongers out there that just won't truckin stop with the BS.

 

[TLB]

One thing I have noticed is that in many areas of life there is a significant agreement from people even when the political ideologies do not line up. There actually are smart people on the left who can see what is going on but conservatives are so utterly stupid they won't reach out and talk to someone else and that is EXACTLY what the people who want to rule the world want. The people doing the controlled demolition of human civilization do not want conversatives talking to liberals who also agree that there is a controlled demolition happening? Why because this way they can stay in power and continue the demolition job to completion. People separated into little piles who are much easier to control. The 'thought leaders' the Klaus Schwabs of the world are about 10 years ahead of actual policy. So the next time Schwab starts flapping his gums on something, start a countdown timer for 10 years and watch it become reality. This entire planet is on a glide path to financial self-destruction so that there can be equity. It means if you only get 1 carrot a day to eat then so be it so that some people in Africa can get the rest of the carrots.

Meh, progressives are way less tolerant of people who don't agree with them than vice versa, IMO.

 

[TLB]

Country Mouse vs City Rat is a good proxy.

Or City Rat vs Illegal Mooch could be the appetizer.

 

[HARRYM]

It involves lining up friends, family, politicians, neighbors, even significan others - anyone who pushed for lockdowns, Vax mandate, BLM riots, force of government - and doing what any evil dictator did to their dissidents. That's the real answer, but that is far from reality in a civilized world. If life gets really hard, don't be surprised if small groups don't start doing that.

Public Indoctrination Centers (AKA Schools) have pumped out millions of brainwashed leftists into this country. We are up against tough odds.

 

[Junior314]

Any future references to the state of politics in the ‘80s and Regan should result in a insta ban.

Boomers.

 

[HARRYM]

How much do hospitals collect on average for corpses brought to the mortuary whose toe tag said something other than COVID? How long were the hospital stays & what other services did the bill for? What was the impact of the hospitals being forced to shut down their imaging & diagnostic programs, their outpatient procedures & surgeries (their profit centers)? How many of these $32K COVID bonuses did the hospitals collect? How many people died of COVID in hospitals vs nursing homes & other care facilities? $32K is a meaningless figure.

I have been on the Board of Directors of the local community hospital since 2006. I’m very familiar w the operations of the hospital, particularly the financial side. As a member of the hospital Executive Committee I was getting weekly Zoom briefings from the CEO, Medical Director & other members of senior management including reports of how many cases, admittances & deaths and financial implications. Also on what was happening in the rest of the hospital as well as other hospitals throughout the State. Our hospital, a not for profit, had 20 years of straight operating surpluses. Since 2020 they have had operating losses as have most other hospitals in the State. It’s publicly available information but I’d love to see you show some evidence (infowars isn’t evidence) that hospitals profited from COVID.

Despite Increased Labor Costs Nationally, Hospitals Saw Record Profits During Pandemic

A report from Mathematica and the National Academy for State Health Policy (NASHP) shows that profit margins for U.S. hospitals rose in 2020 and 2021, despite growing labor and other operating costs.

www.mathematica.org

Over 80% had record profits. The Government money given to them in 2020 and 2021 was in the Billions of dollars.

 

[Satcom]

It won't be a civil war or a revolution as we know it. So PreBanMAn can put his fleshlight away and not comment.
Look at South Africa, Rwanda, Zimbabwe. This is our future. Only it won't just be white farmers getting genocided. It will be anyone with wealth, then anyone with something more than the mobs. At first it will be multicultured mobs. Whites will murder and mutilate other whites for the sin of being wealthy and in the name of equity. The whites on the left will never see their own downfall as they see themselves as the savior of the world. The right will fight back but will be neutralized by the left and the system. Once the whites on the left kill the whites on the right they will be attacked by the minorities they aim to save. Then as it breaks down the separation of the races will begin in earnest, just as it does anywhere we are forced together. Once that happens then the real horrors will begin. Whites will stay separeated as we will never be able to trust another of our race again. The minorities will band together as they will always have a common enemy. Once all non minorites are eliminated then and only then will they turn on each other.
Look at the South African farmers and how they are prosecuted when they try to defend themselves.

 

[HARRYM]

Any future references to the state of politics in the ‘80s and Regan should result in a insta ban.

Boomers.

Well, the state of politics in America since FDR hasn't been wonderful.....

 

[Love Machine]

It won't be a civil war or a revolution as we know it. So PreBanMAn can put his fleshlight away and not comment.
Look at South Africa, Rwanda, Zimbabwe. This is our future. Only it won't just be white farmers getting genocided. It will be anyone with wealth, then anyone with something more than the mobs. At first it will be multicultured mobs. Whites will murder and mutilate other whites for the sin of being wealthy and in the name of equity. The whites on the left will never see their own downfall as they see themselves as the savior of the world. The right will fight back but will be neutralized by the left and the system. Once the whites on the left kill the whites on the right they will be attacked by the minorities they aim to save. Then as it breaks down the separation of the races will begin in earnest, just as it does anywhere we are forced together. Once that happens then the real horrors will begin. Whites will stay separeated as we will never be able to trust another of our race again. The minorities will band together as they will always have a common enemy. Once all non minorites are eliminated then and only then will they turn on each other.
Look at the South African farmers and how they are prosecuted when they try to defend themselves.

South Africa is a dramatically more complicated issue/political system problem than you think. Take your warpornboner somewhere else, thats not what is waiting for us here.

 

[Spanz]

CPAC is going on today?

Why did i not hear this earlier??? GOP has to WORST publicity, and NO control of the media.

 

[Satcom]

Really? Have you been alive during the last 20 years or so? Listen to the language on the left. Look at what they are doing, look at what they get away with. They burned our cities and terroized normal people for over a year. Not only did they get away with it, many times they got huge payouts from the very cities they burned. They openly talk about siezing private wealth and ownership of anything. They do not want to live with conservatives, they want them dead. They openly say these things, they openly organize groups to do this. They have captured education, the judical system, the government, healthcare, and are close with the military. Dig around Facebook, Instagram, Tik Tok, or any of the other lefty sites and you can find this stuff in the open. Elon exposed Twitter and what they were doing, Google, just this week had Gemeni doing their antiwhite thing. There is no swing the other way, EVERYTHING is tilted towards their side right now. What is on the side of conservatives? No one has a war boner, just talking about what I see and where I think it is headed.
So, you think it just continues the way it is? What do you see happening?

 

[ThePreBanMan]

It won't be a civil war or a revolution as we know it. So PreBanMAn can put his fleshlight away and not comment.
Look at South Africa, Rwanda, Zimbabwe. This is our future. Only it won't just be white farmers getting genocided. It will be anyone with wealth, then anyone with something more than the mobs. At first it will be multicultured mobs. Whites will murder and mutilate other whites for the sin of being wealthy and in the name of equity. The whites on the left will never see their own downfall as they see themselves as the savior of the world. The right will fight back but will be neutralized by the left and the system. Once the whites on the left kill the whites on the right they will be attacked by the minorities they aim to save. Then as it breaks down the separation of the races will begin in earnest, just as it does anywhere we are forced together. Once that happens then the real horrors will begin. Whites will stay separeated as we will never be able to trust another of our race again. The minorities will band together as they will always have a common enemy. Once all non minorites are eliminated then and only then will they turn on each other.
Look at the South African farmers and how they are prosecuted when they try to defend themselves.

There is so much that you think is so, that just is not so... You talk about the language on the left... Maybe you should spend a little time evaluating your own...

 

[Junior314]

There is so much that you think is so, that just is not so... You talk about the language on the left... Maybe you should spend a little time evaluating your own...

 

[drgrant]

Not the real leftists. The real hard core people on the left as are pro-2A as any person on this forum. And because leftists believe in helping each other they spend a lot of time studying not just shooting but wound treatment, helping non-armed citizens, etc. They are the very model of a private militia. They train together, work on shooting, etc. They have meetups on a regular basis just to do first aid. When was the last time or can anyone think of any time when conservatives did something like that? They actually have their sh*t together meanwhile the rest of us are just squeezing rounds at paper from 100 yards thinking it's the answer, that includes me.

Lol there are plenty of conservatives who do those things they're just not allowed to advertise it lest they get feds lest they get arrested "cuz militia" etc. Not to mention the media spin. Media will lap the john brown gun clubs ballbag but basically labels other groups as the KKK basically.

 

[Satcom]

There is so much that you think is so, that just is not so... You talk about the language on the left... Maybe you should spend a little time evaluating your own...

Here you come white knighting for the utopian Government.
I gave my OPINION on where I see society heading. As usual you gave no opinion other than I am a war monger wanting a civil war. This is a discussion, we talk about things. Maybee I am wrong? I can admit that I don't have all the answers. I just read and pay attention to everything happening around us. I am not young and have seen much in my lifetime. I have traveled and lived in a few failed states, been in one that was at the start of failing and I see similarites.
Whats your opinion? Where is society headed? Do you believe we all just move on and suddenly we ae are in a global state of bliss? Please, tell us something other than we are all wrong and you know better. I am all ears?

 

[HARRYM]

Here you come white knighting for the utopian Government.
I gave my OPINION on where I see society heading. As usual you gave no opinion other than I am a war monger wanting a civil war. This is a discussion, we talk about things. Maybee I am wrong? I can admit that I don't have all the answers. I just read and pay attention to everything happening around us. I am not young and have seen much in my lifetime. I have traveled and lived in a few failed states, been in one that was at the start of failing and I see similarites.
Whats your opinion? Where is society headed? Do you believe we all just move on and suddenly we ae are in a global state of bliss? Please, tell us something other than we are all wrong and you know better. I am all ears?

Don't bother, Toto pulled back the curtain on him some time ago.

 

[VetteGirlMA]

Meh, progressives are way less tolerant of people who don't agree with them than vice versa, IMO.

Walking away from both sides of the political spectrum has shown me that I can no longer trust the right any more than I can trust the left. To me, far left = far right. I can't see any difference.

A couple of years ago I registered for an account for the gundies, to vote for youtube gun influencers. That was until this year when I found out that the gundie committee removed a transwoman from gundie consideration because of 'nebulous reasons'. I didn't even know about this person or who they were, so I decided to check out her channel and it was really good. A lot of good shooting and practice advice, nothing in the least bit terrifying.....unless of course we're talking about a right wing pearl clutcher because they exist in equal numbers to the left wing anti gun pearl clutchers. It was in that moment that I realized that the gundies is nothing more than a giant republican bromance group with a bunch right wing guys swooning over each other. They shed their libertarian veil whenever it's convenient.

 

[VetteGirlMA]

Lol there are plenty of conservatives who do those things they're just not allowed to advertise it lest they get feds lest they get arrested "cuz militia" etc. Not to mention the media spin. Media will lap the john brown gun clubs ballbag but basically labels other groups as the KKK basically.

What is it something like 80%+ of reporters are either extremely liberal or democrats. So they either are eager to paint the other guy as a KKK vampire or they are getting paid for producing click bait tripe from a Bloomberg organization. From what I can see it's about 50/50, so about 50% of any 'militia/anti-gun' news article will have been sourced from a Bloomberg funded org and the next time it's a pearl clutcher.

 

[ThePreBanMan]

Here you come white knighting for the utopian Government.
I gave my OPINION on where I see society heading. As usual you gave no opinion other than I am a war monger wanting a civil war. This is a discussion, we talk about things. Maybee I am wrong? I can admit that I don't have all the answers. I just read and pay attention to everything happening around us. I am not young and have seen much in my lifetime. I have traveled and lived in a few failed states, been in one that was at the start of failing and I see similarites.
Whats your opinion? Where is society headed? Do you believe we all just move on and suddenly we ae are in a global state of bliss? Please, tell us something other than we are all wrong and you know better. I am all ears?

Once again, you think you know so much, that just isn't so. I never said any of the things you accuse me of saying to you. I merely suggested that you were accusing the left of using specific rhetoric while you're here flapping your gums and doing the same yourself. So you may want to evaluate your own language. That, is what my reply to you said. A reply - where you called me out by name no less...

So - in reality - I called you a hypocrite as your behavior demonstrates that. But this needed not be said for most here who understand the concept. But that apparently went over your head too...

 

[HARRYM]

Once again, you think you know so much, that just isn't so. I never said any of the things you accuse me of saying to you. I merely suggested that you were accusing the left of using specific rhetoric while you're here flapping your gums and doing the same yourself. So you may want to evaluate your own language. That, is what my reply to you said. A reply - where you called me out by name no less...

So - in reality - I called you a hypocrite as your behavior demonstrates that. But this needed not be said for most here who understand the concept. But that apparently went over your head too...

I love how you out yourself every single day.

 

[Buck F]

Despite Increased Labor Costs Nationally, Hospitals Saw Record Profits During Pandemic

A report from Mathematica and the National Academy for State Health Policy (NASHP) shows that profit margins for U.S. hospitals rose in 2020 and 2021, despite growing labor and other operating costs.

www.mathematica.org

Over 80% had record profits. The Government money given to them in 2020 and 2021 was in the Billions of dollars.

Some fared better than others but in general hospitals did poorly due to covid. Larger teaching hospitals did better than smaller community hospitals.

No one is disputing there were deaths with COVID vs death from COVID (a frequent topic during our board meetings) or that there wasn’t additional reimbursement for COVID cases from Medicare, but those didn’t make up for the loss of the profitable procedures that keep most hospitals in business.

The Impact of COVID-19 on the Financial Performance of Largest Teaching Hospitals

The COVID-19 pandemic disrupted hospital operations. Anecdotal evidence suggests financial performance likewise suffered, yet little empirical research supports this claim. This study aimed to explore the impact of the pandemic on the financial performance ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

US hospitals took huge, unequal financial hit during COVID, studies show

www.cidrap.umn.edu

Financial Effects of COVID-19: Hospital Outlook for the Remainder of 2021 | AHA

America’s hospitals face significant, ongoing financial instability as the ravages of the COVID-19 pandemic continue to fester. Kaufman Hall projects hospitals nationwide will lose an estimated $54 billion in net income over the course of the year, even taking into account federal Coronavirus...

www.aha.org

 

[Buck F]

Senator Dr. Scott Jensen from Minnesota seeded the story about specific payments for Covid patients. What he said is partially true.

I still believe that behind the scenes there was a concerted effort to pump the numbers, starting with the suppression of ivermectin and hydroxychloroquine and continuing with the murderous CDC protocol of ventilators and Remdesivir. In the UK they outright murdered elderly Covid patients with Midazolam.

• The World Net Daily: "Hospitals get paid more to list patients as COVID-19"
• Snopes: "Is Medicare paying hospitals $13K for patients diagnosed with COVID-19, $39K for those on ventilators
• PolitiFact: "Hospitals get paid more to list patients as COVID-19"
• Kaiser Health News: "Estimated cost for treating the uninsured hospitalized with COVID-19"
• Factcheck.org: "Hospital Payments and the COVID-19 Death Count"
• Coronavirus Aid, Relief and Economic Security Act
• American Hospital Association Special Bulletin
• American Hospital Association special bulletin.

Funding for Health Care Providers During the Pandemic: An Update | KFF

This brief describes the main sources of federal funding for hospitals and other health care providers during the pandemic, including how those funds have been allocated.

www.kff.org

"Federal Funding for Hospitals and Other Health Care Providers During the Pandemic: Key Sources of Federal Support

The federal government has used a variety of strategies to provide enhanced financial support for hospitals and other health care providers to compensate for revenue loss and higher costs associated with the pandemic:

Congress established the Provider Relief Fund to bolster hospitals and other health care providers to compensate for financial losses and unanticipated costs during the pandemic. HHS has allocated $170.9 billion of the total $178 billion authorized by Congress for this Fund as of September 2021, including $14.8 billion used to support vaccine development and distribution. Of the total amount, $143 billion has been disbursed, according to GAO and HHS announcements. HHS expects to distribute another $6 billion to providers in early 2022.

In addition, $7.5 billion of $8.5 billion in American Rescue Plan (ARP) rural funds were distributed to hospitals and other providers that serve patients living in rural areas; the remaining $1 billion in rural funds is expected to be distributed in early 2022.

Congress took several steps to avoid automatic payment reductions during the pandemic. Congress waived the automatic 2% reduction in Medicare payments required under budget rules (i.e., sequestration) between May 1, 2020 and March 31, 2022, delayed until 2023 a separate 4% reduction in Medicare payments that would otherwise have been triggered in 2022 under PAYGO rules, and increased physician payments by 3% for 2022 under the Medicare Physician Fee Schedule (PFS) payments to mitigate scheduled budget neutral cuts.

Congress established the Paycheck Protection Program that provided health care providers an estimated $100 billion in Paycheck Protection Program (PPP) loans, according to MedPAC.

In addition, Congress increased Medicare payments for inpatient COVID-19 admissions by 20% during the public health emergency (PHE), established coverage and payment for administering COVID-19 vaccines, and increased payments for telehealth services, and HHS waived certain regulatory restrictions, such as allowing for expanded coverage of Medicare telehealth services. Congress also provided accelerated or advance payments as loans to providers participating in traditional Medicare to ease cash flow disruptions during the pandemic."

Not disputing any of that but it didn’t make hospital’s profitable due to COVID. The COVID reimbursements didn’t cover the lost revenue from the bread & butter procedures where hospitals are actually profitable: Outpatient day surgeries & procedures, imaging & diagnostics (colonoscopies, mammograms, etc), joint replacements etc.

 

[mibro]

Not disputing any of that but it didn’t make hospital’s profitable due to COVID. The COVID reimbursements didn’t cover the lost revenue from the bread & butter procedures where hospitals are actually profitable: Outpatient day surgeries & procedures, imaging & diagnostics (colonoscopies, mammograms, etc), joint replacements etc.

That's all true, small hospitals suffered the most.

Some might say the propaganda about hospitals overflowing with Covid patients was the cause of that.

 

[HARRYM]

Whatever the truth is we will never know. Died from Covid and died with Covid is impossible to figure out. Many hospitals got to a point that many deaths were just stamped Covid death.

Did some die 100% from Covid, yes, but I don't care how long any of us live we will never know real numbers.

 

[HARRYM]

That's all true, small hospitals suffered the most.

Some might say the propaganda about hospitals being overflowing with Covid patients was the cause of that.

Most hospitals were a mess before Covid.

 

[mibro]

Most hospitals were a mess before Covid.

Millions of illegals will cause havoc in the nation's hospitals.

 

[Buck F]

Whatever the truth is we will never know. Died from Covid and died with Covid is impossible to figure out. Many hospitals got to a point that many deaths were just stamped Covid death.

Did some die 100% from Covid, yes, but I don't care how long any of us live we will never know real numbers.

Agreed. I and others on the hospital board frequently asked the question of died with vs died of. It was less about the cause of death that was reported on the death certificate, which often was not COVID, than whether the person who died was also COVID positive & what interpretations where made by the state agencies who received that data. For the most part, hospital deaths due to COVID or even hospital deaths during that period were not overwhelming.

 

[HARRYM]

Millions of illegals will cause havoc in the nation's hospitals.

Hospitals were crying on TV about a lack of supplies at the start of Covid. My Daughter, the RN, just laughed. That's a good one she said, we have had poor supplies as long as I have worked here and have been told countless times to try and reuse what ever you can.