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Cop gets LTC suspended
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They can carry on the badge, no need for a LTC. They can't legally purchase anything in MA w/o a LTC however. But nothing prevents an unlicensed MA LEO from buying ammo in NH and bringing ti back to MA to practice with.
Most of the LEOs that I worked with didn't have any LTCs. The chief (back 25 years ago) wanted all to get LTCs and offered them free to his troops. Many refused and he was rather perplexed.
Wrt ROs, it would be career-suicide for a chief to allow an officer to carry off-duty when a 209A was active on that officer. He'd have his head on a pike if the officer threatened/injured/killed his SO!! So the Fed Law may allow it, but it just ain't gonna happen in MA.
Most of the LEOs that I worked with didn't have any LTCs. The chief (back 25 years ago) wanted all to get LTCs and offered them free to his troops. Many refused and he was rather perplexed.
Wrt ROs, it would be career-suicide for a chief to allow an officer to carry off-duty when a 209A was active on that officer. He'd have his head on a pike if the officer threatened/injured/killed his SO!! So the Fed Law may allow it, but it just ain't gonna happen in MA.
pdm
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Proof they passed a background check, yes?
pdm
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And if later you're convicted of something that DQ's you, it provides a quick way to bounce the person.
I'm pretty sure that's a felony...
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I know this guy personally, he's getting screwed. They have actually been divorced for over a year. (I guess the paper took what she had to say as gospel without verifying the facts, big surprise). He has filed reports on her several times and actually tried to get a restraining order but was denied. She has made his life a living hell with the harassment and stalking BS. He simply took her by the arm and lead her to her car when she refused to leave the property. No physical abuse whatsoever. The domestic laws in this state are a f'n joke and some women take advantage of that. He works inside the station now with no sidearm.
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n1oty
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It's too bad he even took her by the arm to escort her, as I'm sure she'll use that to put him in a bad light. I strongly agree that the 209A process is a joke and it has been a joke for over 30 years now. This is a process that was originally intended to be used sparingly and only for truly egregious and dangerous circumstances. It has been heavily twisted since the very early 80's into a weapon of revenge.
pdm
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Boy, that news article sure got the facts right, eh?
Metalhead
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If a non-leos info can be printed, than so can a leo's. There is no reason to make a special exception for either. A leo does not ( I should probably say should not) have any different rights than anyone else.
While in general I don't think that there should be laws that make a LEO a special class (such as a more severe penalty for the murder of a police officer as oppposed to a private citizen, dead is dead) I don't have a problem with not posting LEO personal information. This is from an operational security standpoint and can compromise law enforcement operations in general, and expose the LEO's family to unwanted attention.
Mark056
Nobody wants their personal business in the newspapers, that goes pretty much without saying.
But cops face a different kind of danger than most, it's it's a nasty slap in the face to have all that info out in the open.
n1oty
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This is an interesting quote..............
.............from Justice Louis Brandeis that really struck me 30 years ago while studying CJ.
"Decency, security, and liberty alike demand that government officials shall be subjected to the same rules of conduct that are commands to the citizen."
It's not on-topic specifically, but does provide a broad picture that ideally everyone gets treated the same. Now, I am not advocating that LEO personal info should be published. On the contrary, I feel that no one should have identifying info published unless convicted. That would keep the playing field level for LEO and non-LEO alike.
.............from Justice Louis Brandeis that really struck me 30 years ago while studying CJ.
"Decency, security, and liberty alike demand that government officials shall be subjected to the same rules of conduct that are commands to the citizen."
It's not on-topic specifically, but does provide a broad picture that ideally everyone gets treated the same. Now, I am not advocating that LEO personal info should be published. On the contrary, I feel that no one should have identifying info published unless convicted. That would keep the playing field level for LEO and non-LEO alike.
I'd be thrillled if the news media decided to do that on their own, but I wouldn't support any law that infringed on their 1A (I'm not suggesting you do, just making my stance on the subject known
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).I think there's a huge issue with biased, irresponsible "news" reporting in the world today.
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n1oty
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I'm not saying it would be simple,................
..........but there are a number of mechanisms open to the courts for impounding certain info from the public domain. Ideally, the press should willingly withhold this info, but as we all know, journalistic standards aren't what they used to be.![[smile]](/xen/styles/default/xenforo/smilies.vb/001.gif "Smile [smile]")
..........but there are a number of mechanisms open to the courts for impounding certain info from the public domain. Ideally, the press should willingly withhold this info, but as we all know, journalistic standards aren't what they used to be.
I'd be thrillled if the news media decided to do that on their own, but I wouldn't support any law that infringed on their 1A (I'm not suggesting you do, just making my stance on the subject known
I think there's a huge issue with biased, irresponsible "news" reporting in the world today.
My concern isn't so much with the question of whether police officers names should be reported in situations such as this.
Ken
My question is why someone who's been arrested and charged with a violent felony should be working as a police officer, whether on restricted duty or not. I know all about innocent until proven guilty, and think it should apply to police as much as anybody else. But I'm not talking about locking him up without a trial, simply about suspending him until the entire matter is resolved. The fact that he was arrested and charged strongly suggests that there's some credible reason for concern.
Ken
PDM,
I don't know about MA, but NH now has a policy that If either party of a domestic complaint shows outward signs of injury, the other party is taken into custody.
This is a liability response following a couple of law suits against officers, towns and police departments where, after responding to a domestic dispute call, officers were told it was all a misunderstanding, then left and one of the two parties ended up seriously injured or dead.
This guy physically escourted a person he has repeatedly reported to the police for stalking, tresspassing and haressment off his property. If the genders had been reversed, he would have recieved a restraining order and she would have been placed under arrest for violating it.
I don't know about MA, but NH now has a policy that If either party of a domestic complaint shows outward signs of injury, the other party is taken into custody.
This is a liability response following a couple of law suits against officers, towns and police departments where, after responding to a domestic dispute call, officers were told it was all a misunderstanding, then left and one of the two parties ended up seriously injured or dead.
This guy physically escourted a person he has repeatedly reported to the police for stalking, tresspassing and haressment off his property. If the genders had been reversed, he would have recieved a restraining order and she would have been placed under arrest for violating it.
n1oty
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It does not take much to be able to charge anyone with a crime. I would hope that you wouldn't read too much into that. Restricted duty is no prize either. He's probably acting as a vehicle mechanic or dispatcher or something to that effect. He'll probably be unable to perform any real police duties and the restricted duty will really hit him hard in the wallet, whether he is ultimately guilty or not.
pdm
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Gender bias, gotta love it.
Metalhead
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