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There will be plenty of pissed off Police officers in this state Including me! I figured that Devil (yes I mean Devil) Patrick would bring this up sooner or later.---Dick Manely
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Isn't that a good thing for everyone but LEOs? It seems that when traveling I seldom see a LEO at a roadside construction site. Do you know what percentage of other states require LEOs to do details?


Respectfully,

jkelly
 
So if the details go away my taxes and utility bills will go down?

Somehow I doubt that...why not get rid of a real money sucking program like perpetual welfare?
 
OnTheRoad said:
So if the details go away my taxes and utility bills will go down?

Somehow I doubt that...why not get rid of a real money sucking program like perpetual welfare?
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Of course your taxes won't go down, but saving 100 million dollars a year, will allow local cities and towns to use some of that money for REAL overtime for the police officers, so they can be out doing real police work, not just watching a bunch of guys standing around while one digs a hole.
 
We've all heard the stories of SOME LEO's on details making almost double my annual gross pay ( just under $50,000 ) for standing/sitting in a car watching construction going on. That is wrong in my book! You go up to Maine and there is a flagger standing there and they don't seem to have many problems. This seems to be a MA problem that needs to be looked at and gotten rid of if need be.

Joe R. ( not bashing the cops, just the detail pay. )
 
OnTheRoad said:
So if the details go away my taxes and utility bills will go down?

Somehow I doubt that...why not get rid of a real money sucking program like perpetual welfare?
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Because welfare parasites outnumber cops and therefore represent more votes, I would guess.
 
I am so glad he is doing away with these details. I don't mind the LEO's getting the overtime at all, at this point it's considered part of their salary and they depend on it.

I would much rather that 100 million annually go to officers overtime doing what they are trained to do and not sitting in a cruiser for 8 hours watching pavement being put down.

However from the sound of it Patrick just wants to save 100 million by taking money from professionals and making sure his pet programs and welfare are still intact. [thinking]
 
TimJ said:
Because welfare parasites outnumber cops and therefore represent more votes, I would guess.
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Sadly that's what it comes down to Tim. I don't agree with the road details and want that 100 million to stay with the LEO's as long as they are doing real LEO work.

Patrick saving 100 million by taking from LEO's to give to leeches of the system is wrong in my opinion.
 
OnTheRoad said:
So if the details go away my taxes and utility bills will go down?
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No, but without the additional operating costs of paying for overtime, it will be harder for the utility companies to justify any future price increases.

(Someone correct me if I'm wrong... don't rate increases have to be approved by some government entity?)
 
LoginName said:
(Someone correct me if I'm wrong... don't rate increases have to be approved by some government entity?)
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From what I have seen in Fitchburg in the past the untility company has to justify the increase to the local town it's increasing in via a council meeting.
 
Garys said:
BTW, in MA the prevailing wage law requires that flag men get laborer wage rates. That's about $37.00 an hour.

Gary
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Well that's complete bullshit. Why don't they do like most states and not have anyone just standing around?
 
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Sorry, guys, but (to my surprise) I'm with Patrick on this one. As I have repeatedly said, the next statie I see actually get OUT of his air-conditioned cruiser and direct traffic will be the FIRST. In 20 years living in this socialist paradise, I've NEVER seen a state cop out of his car at a construction site. At that point, why not just put flashing lights on the trucks and park them there?

Oh, wait...
 
Garys said:
Not true. CT uses Troopers on road details. NH does too, but not to the extent of MA.
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Many, perhaps all, states use troopers on road details when there's a bona fide public safety need. MA is the only state that requires them regardless of the situation.
 
If there was a guarantee that any monies saved would be put towards police overtime and patrols maybe I'd feel differently. But we all know that this will never happen; our taxes will not change, our utility bills will not change, Deval and his milquetoast buffoons will only spend the money it on some touchy-feely socialist welfare subsidy program and the money that our cops would have been using to support themselves and their families and recirculate into the state economy will wind up buying Fritos and crack for some illegal Guatemalan with 10 kids.

If the issue is cops not getting out of their cars, maybe some departmental administrative reform is in order instead of detail elimination. Looks like a smokescreen to me, or a convenient excuse to kick the cops in the balls.

He stopped at a rest area to use the bathroom!! What does this have
to do with working a detail?
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He was working a detail at 4 in the morning when he went to take a leak. If not for that, the murderer would likely be walking free today.
 
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OnTheRoad said:
...on an aside, anyone remember the Alexandra Zapp murder a few years back? The cop that made the arrest was working a road detail when he made the bust: http://www.thebostonchannel.com/news/1564639/detail.html
Getting this guy locked up was probably worth the $40/hr.
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Is this kind of like the Brady's argument "If it saves ONE life..."?

On Wednesday, Leahy was literally caught in the act by State Police Lt. Steven O'Reilly, who had also stopped at the rest area.
"I am used to getting there after something happens, not while something is happening. It affects you a little bit more," O'Reilly said.

"During the time period that he was in the men's room, he heard what he believed to be a scuffle in the adjoining women's room. He went in and arrested the individual who was standing in the bathroom. The scene was blood-smeared. That individual was Mr. Leahy, who is now currently under arrest," district attorney Tim Cruz said.
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Are state police prohibited from using public restrooms while on duty? That's the only way I can think of that you can argue that it couldn't have happened while he was on duty.
 
I don't get the whole concept. Why not just get a bunch of old cars with blue flashing lights on them and park them. That's all these "details" are anyway. I've never seen a Statie actually helping with traffic. I have seen locals do it though.

Last summer the building where I work was under construction and this is no joke, one day there were four Boston PD details standing on each corner of the intersection all day doing nothing. Of course it was the WGBH building so it is understandable
 
OnTheRoad said:
If there was a guarantee that any monies saved would be put towards police overtime and patrols maybe I'd feel differently. But we all know that this will never happen; our taxes will not change, our utility bills will not change, Deval and his milquetoast buffoons will only spend the money it on some touchy-feely socialist welfare subsidy program and the money that our cops would have been using to support themselves and their families and recirculate into the state economy will wind up buying Fritos and crack for some illegal Guatemalan with 10 kids.
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I agree with you here.

OnTheRoad said:
If the issue is cops not getting out of their cars, maybe some departmental administrative reform is in order instead of detail elimination. Looks like a smokescreen to me, or a convenient excuse to kick the cops in the balls.
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It's the whole issue of using someone who's spent 6 months at one the best LEO academys in the country, not to mention further LEO training and experience, sitting in a squad at a construction site for 8 hours. It's wrong, and for any LEO to tell me differently is either ignorant or lying.

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He was working a detail at 4 in the morning when he went to take a leak. If not for that, the murderer would likely be walking free today.
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Like it's been stated before using an example here and there of total chance situations is a Brady argument.
 
[laugh]
Things are soooooo different here than back in Ohio. Yeah, I worked "Special Duty" (the Ohio equivalent to "Detail Work"), but if a road job, my ass was out there directing traffic. We didn't get to use cruisers.

Other retail or bank jobs were different and paid for by the retailer/bank.

Its a money trap and very difficult to deal with once its gone. [thinking]

But... here... I'm amazed at the Road Nazis and their ability to sit for long hours in their cruisers. [rolleyes]
 

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