expedition03
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Randolph has one of scanner machines. I only took 2 minutes to do my prints.
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You are entitled to your opinion, but you know nothing about fingerprinting and the fact that many people due to age, occupation or just they way their prints were formed in the womb (there is no genetic component to fingerprints) simply don't have good quality prints to begin with.
And you made your educated deduction that I know nothing about fingerprinting based on what...I made no mention of some of the variables you made mention of.... I simple stated in the case of the OP and many other post that it was apparent a retard took there prints or tried to.
sounds like the cops never got their fingerprinting merit badge when they were kids! http://www.meritbadge.org/wiki/index.php/Fingerprinting (easy now - back in the day you had to do 'em acceptable to FBI standards)
The Fingerprinting Merit Badge Pamphlet is an excellent basic reference and FBI standards are still the gold standard, problem is that many people simply do not print well. Using an electronic platen it should actually be easier to print potentially bad prints than the ink system. Still there is little one can do if the person has shallow ridges, for example. A fingerprint taker can only work with the fingers they have. Bad prints are bad prints...period.
Well first of all most all prints are forwarded to the Ident Section in Sudbury where a trained technician and the AFIS computer makes the determination, not the local PD. I only did this from 1999 to 2005. Yeah I know it's easier to cop bash.
Nice avatar BTW.
Well I never said reading a pamphlet was going to make one an expert. I said that it was a good basic reference for someone wanting basic information about the subject. In my case I had both formal training and on the job training and had to pass several examinations to be fully qualified, plus meet standards established by the International Assn for Identification. Your posts towards me are fraught with anger. Precisely what are your qualifications since you appear to present yourself as some kind of expert? I have little time to waste with posers and self styled experts. You are entitled to your opinions no matter how informed or Ill informed they may be. How anyone in Mass processing fingerprints for a LTC would not be qualified is beyond me. Every set is submitted to Sudbury to the Ident Section. The people there do this as a full time job and have a strict standard of quality control procedures. They are all highly trained and must certified before they can process prints. Before you get snotty and bring up someone like Annie Dookhan and sloppy crime lab work, I'll point out that she was not part of the MSP lab system. Since I do not engage in flame wars, I will bow to your superior expertise in all areas pertaining to criminalistics since you are obviously a SME without peer. In the meantime I'll stand by my training and experience and for what it's worth, if you received a LTC in Mass during that time period, chances are I processed your prints. It's a shame we cannot have a reasonable discussion around here without someone getting rancorous. The MSP and only the MSP is responsible for determining whether prints are rejected or not. If a local PD rejects your prints after taking them, it is because they know our standards and what will pass and what will not. Yes some people who take prints don't do a good job, esp with ink, but overall the issues about poor fingerprint quality hover around the quality of the prints themselves.Your babbling! Try reading and actually comprehending. No we're did I mention Police. As many police departments higher civilians to do many tasked finger prints included. Of course many people find it easier to blame something or somone when they are incompetent to do a job sufficeiantly. Reading a pamphlet does not make an expert or anyone near it. Given your 6 years you may be qualified. Many are not. Opinions will vary.
Well I never said reading a pamphlet was going to make one an expert. I said that it was a good basic reference for someone wanting basic information about the subject. In my case I had both formal training and on the job training and had to pass several examinations to be fully qualified, plus meet standards established by the International Assn for Identification. Your posts towards me are fraught with anger. Precisely what are your qualifications since you appear to present yourself as some kind of expert? I have little time to waste with posers and self styled experts. You are entitled to your opinions no matter how informed or Ill informed they may be. How anyone in Mass processing fingerprints for a LTC would not be qualified is beyond me. Every set is submitted to Sudbury to the Ident Section. The people there do this as a full time job and have a strict standard of quality control procedures. They are all highly trained and must certified before they can process prints. Before you get snotty and bring up someone like Annie Dookhan and sloppy crime lab work, I'll point out that she was not part of the MSP lab system. Since I do not engage in flame wars, I will bow to your superior expertise in all areas pertaining to criminalistics since you are obviously a SME without peer. In the meantime I'll stand by my training and experience and for what it's worth, if you received a LTC in Mass during that time period, chances are I processed your prints. It's a shame we cannot have a reasonable discussion around here without someone getting rancorous. The MSP and only the MSP is responsible for determining whether prints are rejected or not. If a local PD rejects your prints after taking them, it is because they know our standards and what will pass and what will not. Yes some people who take prints don't do a good job, esp with ink, but overall the issues about poor fingerprint quality hover around the quality of the prints themselves.
Oh Boy..... Some how you are feeling persecuted! This was never about you it still is not about you...... Take it easy on yourself. Other than your continued babble I'm sure you personally know what your talking about.....again no one ever directed any conversation about your ability or lack of....as for your speculation on my experience and your need to voice your superiority..... No worries not one to really care what people think..... Opinions will vary!
I have to ask, when renewing your LTC in MA, do you need to be printed again? Is it only for first timers? What are the requirements for getting them done? Do they HAVE to be done at a police department? Because I have an inkless machine and do prints for background investigations ALL THE TIME, and as long as there isn't an issue with me doing them........
"for reference, I was so nervous because she tried to get me to take her 17 year old daughter to the prom. I knew it was a tarp."
Her prom dress?
MSP has scanners (no ink) to do prints, check if local PD's have these machines and see if that could be used. Talk to your local PD, they should know who has these machines. Worth a try.
The good news is that MSP expects to convert to electronic prints in a year or so.