Biden just took a 15 point lead over Trump

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Actually, Donald Trump was among the first to take it seriously, and want to halt inbound flights from China... which was called "unnecessary" and "racist" at the time by many of those same critics.

As to how this could have been handled differently / better, my one-word answer remains the same: Sweden. They're for all intents and purposes done with it. Their numbers are minuscule now. No lockdowns, no mask hokey-pokey, no workplaces or gyms or restaurants closed. Most schools remained open. I believe there was a no-gatherings-over-50 rule, but that was about it. They screwed up the same we did as regards to the nursing homes, though, and they readily admit it. When cases and deaths were rising, Media fingers were wagging at them. Now? Say "Sweden" and they put those fingers in their ears and yell "LALALALALA I can't hear you!"

The one thing different about Sweden, though: during the winter months (when this thing hit), they, like Nordic people generally, habitually supplement with the SpaceCritter's favorite vitaminprohormone. They have to. It's damned dark there, and if they don't they know they'll get sick. And this time of year, they don't hibernate in the AC like the Southerners do.

Rather than lockdowns, and stimulus checks, we would have done better to ship every American a bottle of D3 and K2.
 

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😂 I’m not upset. The question was actually to provide specific instances but my larger point is a lot of people hit Trump for screwing this up. No one can say for sure what ever he did or didn’t do would have helped or hurt. All I’m asking you is to lay out your perfect plan that you are 100% positive would have stopped this shit show dead in its tracks
How could anybody have a perfect plan Roadglide?
I was mainly responding to the quote that you were responding to, regarding the challenge to name an error he has made, as if he’s omniscient. No matter what side of the aisle one generally sits on, it’s strange to me when somebody can’t acknowledge that mistakes were made by their person.
I GENERALLY sit to the right on politics, but my preference for conservative politics doesn’t blind me to the glaring issues that are present, especially with regards to coronavirus.
 

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How could anybody have a perfect plan Roadglide?
I was mainly responding to the quote that you were responding to, regarding the challenge to name an error he has made, as if he’s omniscient. No matter what side of the aisle one generally sits on, it’s strange to me when somebody can’t acknowledge that mistakes were made by their person.
I GENERALLY sit to the right on politics, but my preference for conservative politics doesn’t blind me to the glaring issues that are present, especially with regards to coronavirus.
Prove to me what he did or didn’t do was wrong. As in the opposite would have solved the problem and I’m with you. I’ll hit Trump for his mistakes.
 

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Prove to me what he did or didn’t do was wrong. As in the opposite would have solved the problem and I’m with you. I’ll hit Trump for his mistakes.
You need more proof that wearing masks earlier would have helped? You need more proof that getting testing out to the masses and continuing that trend would have helped?
If that’s the case man, I don’t think this discussion between us is worthwhile.

Good luck
 

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How about where he has advocated for “slowing the testing down” so that the numbers aren’t overwhelming, instead of implementing a strong testing infrastructure and contact tracing?

How about when he politicized and polarized mask wearing, so now if you wear a mask you’re a liberal, and if you don’t wear a mask you’re a republican, instead of just used good judgement and advocated for mask use to slow the disease’s spread?

Should I keep going?
Yea you're right this guy is an idiot:

 

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He’s not, but some of his advisors are, to include one of his sons who is massively pro-2A.

That said, if he were a lame duck president, he wouldn’t be worried about offending his base with gun control. But, he’d still he better than Biden. Trump is ambivalent to 2A whereas Biden is vigorously anti.
Agreed.
 

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You need more proof that wearing masks earlier would have helped? You need more proof that getting testing out to the masses and continuing that trend would have helped?
If that’s the case man, I don’t think this discussion between us is worthwhile.

Good luck
Yup I do and you can’t do it is my point.
 

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Right. Remind me when he said that? Now remind me when Trump finally acquiesced and wore won in public without bashing it? Was that the same day?
You need more proof that wearing masks earlier would have helped? You need more proof that getting testing out to the masses and continuing that trend would have helped?
If that’s the case man, I don’t think this discussion between us is worthwhile.

Good luck
Do you think Fauci purposely spread Covid? If this is as bad as you say, Fauci has a lot of blood on his hands.
 

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Not necessarily, and I think it depends on how you define "massive". I think there is voter fraud in every presidential election, mostly committed by dems. The difference is when a non dem wins is because the dems weren't able to fraud enough to offset the wonkies. (middle america independent voters) If trump got enough wonkie votes, I don't think they would be able to outgun him with fraud. There are only so many votes they can harvest out of couch cushions and dead people.

However, if trump loses a lot of wonkie votes that stay home, then the possibility of him actually losing via fraud becomes more realistic.

There's always evidence of voter fraud anyone who doesn't see it hasn't been paying attention. Like for example I think Mitt Romney is a piece of shit, but years ago there was one voting district in Philadumpia where Romney only got like one vote or some single digit number of votes. That's not "just a coincidence" that's highly likely to be some systematic voter fraud or voter suppression going on there.


Mail fraud can be massive. So in Red states, someone handling the mail could be "asked" to just start burning all mail in vote envelopes and "Viola!" Lose a couple of hundred thousand votes, and there it goes.

States reject tens of thousands of mail ballots in this year's primaries, setting off alarm bells for November
 

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Mail fraud can be massive. So in Red states, someone handling the mail could be "asked" to just start burning all mail in vote envelopes and "Viola!" Lose a couple of hundred thousand votes, and there it goes.

States reject tens of thousands of mail ballots in this year's primaries, setting off alarm bells for November
...or just certain ones. The Buffalo guy had a huge lead by way of in-person, only to see it dwindle to single-digits when mail-ins were counted:
Utter stinkfest.
 
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How about where he has advocated for “slowing the testing down” so that the numbers aren’t overwhelming, instead of implementing a strong testing infrastructure and contact tracing?

How about when he politicized and polarized mask wearing, so now if you wear a mask you’re a liberal, and if you don’t wear a mask you’re a republican, instead of just used good judgement and advocated for mask use to slow the disease’s spread?

Should I keep going?
Let’s not forget your maggots telling people to keep coming into the city to enjoy the urban life. Scum like Pelosi, DiBlasio and our Maaaty. Your all scum.
 

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Look, the media knows FULLY WELL that their only chance of Biden getting in in November is if they tell people (over and over and over, etc) that it's "all over", that there is "No reason to even BOTHER going to the polls in November cuz CLEARLY Senator Joe Clint - oops, I mean Biden - has it all wrapped up. The voting is just a formality. The coronation of Mrs Clin - oops, I mean Mister Biden - is already a done deal. He's got it "in the bag". Don't you realize this? Don't you "understand"???

Just stay home, in your damned deplorable basket, and let the coronation happen the way "everyone knows" and "everyone fully expects" that it will. Just stay home, dammit!! "He has no chance"!! Right? I mean, just "look at the polls"!!!!!
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Let’s not forget your maggots telling people to keep coming into the city to enjoy the urban life. Scum like Pelosi, DiBlasio and our Maaaty. Your all scum.
Lol
I point out a couple of things I’m critical of Trump about and now I’m “one of those maggot scum.”
Lmao
Why don’t you go make out with Trump, buddy, since you clearly can’t find fault with a single thing he has done. He’s a god, I know.

Unreal.
 
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Lol
I point out a couple of things I’m critical of Trump about and now I’m “one of those maggot scum.”
Lmao
Why don’t you go make out with Trump, buddy, since you clearly can’t find fault with a single thing he has done. He’s a god, I know.

Unreal.
Youze people think cause Iwe say Trump Must get elected that we don’t know his flaws ? You live under a rock and don’t look at what the liberalDems are doing and will do when they get control. Those are the Horrrble dreams that should keep you up at night. VOTE TRUMP, OFTEN.
 

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I’ll bet nobody has a clue on how much junk mail my step grandfather burnt in the Braintree incinerator versus delivering it.
Mailman in my neighborhood was caught and convicted for dumping the unsolicited bulk mail in the lake nearby. The neighborhood wore black armbands for a week when he was arrested
 
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Let’s not forget your maggots telling people to keep coming into the city to enjoy the urban life. Scum like Pelosi, DiBlasio and our Maaaty. Your all scum.
Exactly, all the pols f***ed it up, just like we knew they would. The Dems with their "anti-racism" virtue signaling were the most egregious early on, IMO. Then, throw in un-Constitutional edicts and nursing home mis-management later for good measure.
 

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How about where he has advocated for “slowing the testing down” so that the numbers aren’t overwhelming, instead of implementing a strong testing infrastructure and contact tracing?

How about when he politicized and polarized mask wearing, so now if you wear a mask you’re a liberal, and if you don’t wear a mask you’re a republican, instead of just used good judgement and advocated for mask use to slow the disease’s spread?

Should I keep going?
Except for the fact that testing was never slowed, nor did he tell anyone to slow it down. Saying it at a rally and doing it are different.

Show me where he ever said NOT to wear a mask.
 

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Except for the fact that testing was never slowed, nor did he tell anyone to slow it down. Saying it at a rally and doing it are different.

Show me where he ever said NOT to wear a mask.
Trump is definitely strongly endorsing masks now though, stating that wearing masks, when you cannot social distance, is the "patriotic" thing to do.
 
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