ATF proposed rule:Annual Reporting of Explosive Materials Storage Facilities to the Local Fire Authority

[rickflst]

This one slipped under the radar. Time to start commenting again
GNG just brough this up

View: https://youtu.be/anS4LBS5IcU?si=i9dYMvF9pKVxOPsZ


Link to proposal

Regulations.gov

www.regulations.gov

 

[Chevy 2 65]

Suck my sexual organ located in the lower abdominal area.

 

[MFSP101]

Bumping this so it doesn’t get lost.

 

[timbo]

But...gun powder (smokeless) isn't an explosive...at least not like black powder. Smokeless gun powder is an accelerant.

 

[safetyfirst2125]

Garland wants to track reloaders. So that later, when ammo sales are cutoff they’ll know who to go after.

Wouldn’t be surprised if this gets expanded to include any ammo.

 

[Devils Paintbrush]

Theoretically the man already has his boot on your neck with 527 CMR 13.03 with requirements you can have and what requires a permit.

The number needed to trigger a permit are rookie numbers.

Doubtful many people follow this to the letter.

527 CMR

 

[KBCraig]

Garland wants to track reloaders. So that later, when ammo sales are cutoff they’ll know who to go after.

Wouldn’t be surprised if this gets expanded to include any ammo.

Or to include "ammunition reloading components", like MA.

 

[drgrant]

Theoretically the man already has his boot on your neck with 527 CMR 13.03 with requirements you can have and what requires a permit.

The number needed to trigger a permit are rookie numbers.

Doubtful many people follow this to the letter.

527 CMR

Except that in Massachusetts basically like five people follow that CMR.... everybody else ignores it like completely.

Actually to be honest if you talk to fire guys most of these people don't even know that an ammo permit exists because they don't issue any of the f****** things because literally nobody asks for them unless it's a gun shop or something.

 

[40 Creedmoor fan]

And it includes mandated reporting of magazines and their capacity. This is not about gunpowder storage. This is a mandated magazine registry!

P.S. Blah, Blah, Blah! Nice folks below corrected me.

 

[Maxrobot]

New Hampshire State Law -
158:9 Possession of Explosives. –No person shall leave, deposit or have in his custody or possession in any building used in whole or in part as a dwelling house, tenement house, apartment building, office building, shop or store, or in or within 500 feet of any building used in whole or in part as a school, theater, church, public building or other place of public assembly, any high explosive, such as and including dynamite, any explosive compound of which nitroglycerin forms a part, fulminate in bulk or dry condition, blasting caps, detonating fuses, black powder or other similar explosive, except as may be permitted by regulations issued pursuant to RSA 158. Whoever violates the provisions of this section shall be guilty of a misdemeanor if a natural person, or guilty of a felony if any other person.
Funny. I never heard black powder referred to as a high explosive.
It looks like the law dates back to 1885 and was last revised in 1977. Time for a re-examination I think.
then we have 158:29 which says -
XI. "Explosives", "high explosive" or "explosive substance" shall mean any material or container containing a chemical compound or mixture that is commonly used or intended for the purpose of producing an explosion and that contains any oxidizing or combustible materials or other ingredients in such proportions, quantities, or packing that an ignition by fire, friction, concussion, or detonation of any part of the compound or mixture may cause such a sudden generation of highly heated gases that the resultant gaseous pressure is capable of producing destructive effects on contiguous objects. This definition shall not include the components for hand loading rifle, pistol, and shotgun ammunition and or rifle, pistol, and shotgun ammunition.

 

[40 Creedmoor fan]

New Hampshire State Law -
158:9 Possession of Explosives. –No person shall leave, deposit or have in his custody or possession in any building used in whole or in part as a dwelling house, tenement house, apartment building, office building, shop or store, or in or within 500 feet of any building used in whole or in part as a school, theater, church, public building or other place of public assembly, any high explosive, such as and including dynamite, any explosive compound of which nitroglycerin forms a part, fulminate in bulk or dry condition, blasting caps, detonating fuses, black powder or other similar explosive, except as may be permitted by regulations issued pursuant to RSA 158. Whoever violates the provisions of this section shall be guilty of a misdemeanor if a natural person, or guilty of a felony if any other person.
Funny. I never heard black powder referred to as a high explosive.
It looks like the law dates back to 1885 and was last revised in 1977. Time for a re-examination I think.
then we have 158:29 which says -
XI. "Explosives", "high explosive" or "explosive substance" shall mean any material or container containing a chemical compound or mixture that is commonly used or intended for the purpose of producing an explosion and that contains any oxidizing or combustible materials or other ingredients in such proportions, quantities, or packing that an ignition by fire, friction, concussion, or detonation of any part of the compound or mixture may cause such a sudden generation of highly heated gases that the resultant gaseous pressure is capable of producing destructive effects on contiguous objects. This definition shall not include the components for hand loading rifle, pistol, and shotgun ammunition and or rifle, pistol, and shotgun ammunition.

Are you trying to sideline the conversation? What does NH law have ANYTHING to do with the proposed federal requirement to register magazines(for gunpower storage) and gunpowder?!

 

[OnTheRoad]

 

[In God We Trust]

Suck my sexual organ located in the lower abdominal area.

“No man, it’s dick “

 

[Parker Schreiber]

Current regulations already require reporting with 48 hours of the time storage commenced — this proposal requires parroting that information once a year. Not a hill I want to die on.

Federal Register :: Request Access

 

[allen-1]

And it includes mandated reporting of magazines and their capacity. This is not about gunpowder storage. This is a mandated magazine registry!

“magazine” for storage of explosives is not same as magazine to hold ammunition for firearm.

 

[40 Creedmoor fan]

“magazine” for storage of explosives is not same as magazine to hold ammunition for firearm.

Had to google that one. I stand corrected.

 

[allen-1]

Had to google that one. I stand corrected.

English is a very funny/strange language.

 

[KBCraig]

Funny. I never heard black powder referred to as a high explosive.

You still haven't. Nothing you cited called BP a high explosive.

 

[T-Unit]

The IRS going to be the ones enforcing this?

Besides credit card data, how is anyone going to know you bought powder?

 

[Matt_SERE]

If any of you local to Somerville, MA take a ride over to Powder House Square. A little bit of history to be learned. Matt

Old Powder House

Rising 30 feet in the air atop Quarry Hill, the Old Powder House is the oldest stone building in the state of Massachusetts.

www.atlasobscura.com

ASIDE FROM BEING A TOWERING relic, the Old Powder House had a prominent role as a gun powder storage facility in the lead-up to the American Revolution, contributing to its inclusion in 1972 on the City of Somerville’s city seal. The tower was built of stone and originally featured three interior levels, complete with a fireplace and chimney.

The Powder House was built in either 1703 or 1704 by the French Protestant shipbuilder Jean Mallet on land (then known as Two Penny Brook Quarry) purchased from Jonathan Foskett. During this time, the structure functioned not as a gunpowder storage facility, but rather as a windmill for the Mallet farm. In 1747, the Mallet family sold their land to the Massachusetts Bay Colony, where the windmill structure was utilized as a powder magazine (from which it derives its modern day namesake).

In 1774, the Powder House found itself at the center of one of the pivotal events leading up to the American Revolution. On September 1, 1774, General Thomas Gage landed with British troops at the 10 Hills Farm on Mystic River, whereupon they marched up Broadway and seized the 250 barrels of gunpowder that were being stored at the former Mallet farm. This event marked the first act of aggression by the British toward the colonies and consequently trigged the “Powder Alarm,” where many individuals from the surrounding villages prepared to march to Boston for battle, though their actions proved to be premature.

The structure did, however, serve as a critical munitions depot for the Continental Army during the 1775-76 siege of Boston, a fact which is honored by a nearby bronze sculpture of a hat worn by said soldiers.

In 1818, the Massachusetts Bay Colony sold the land to Peter Tufts, later inherited by Nathan Tufts (for whom the surrounding park is named), during which time the Powder House was incorporated into the Powder House Farm. Moreover, the building was also used as a storage facility for “Old Powder House Brand” pickles.

The structure and surrounding land were finally sold to Somerville in 1892 for the price of $1. The land was then converted into a park, designed by Horace Eaton, where the Old Power House was renovated and repaired.

 

[Toast]

If any of you local to Somerville, MA take a ride over to Powder House Square. A little bit of history to be learned. Matt

Old Powder House

Rising 30 feet in the air atop Quarry Hill, the Old Powder House is the oldest stone building in the state of Massachusetts.

www.atlasobscura.com

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ASIDE FROM BEING A TOWERING relic, the Old Powder House had a prominent role as a gun powder storage facility in the lead-up to the American Revolution, contributing to its inclusion in 1972 on the City of Somerville’s city seal. The tower was built of stone and originally featured three interior levels, complete with a fireplace and chimney.

The Powder House was built in either 1703 or 1704 by the French Protestant shipbuilder Jean Mallet on land (then known as Two Penny Brook Quarry) purchased from Jonathan Foskett. During this time, the structure functioned not as a gunpowder storage facility, but rather as a windmill for the Mallet farm. In 1747, the Mallet family sold their land to the Massachusetts Bay Colony, where the windmill structure was utilized as a powder magazine (from which it derives its modern day namesake).

In 1774, the Powder House found itself at the center of one of the pivotal events leading up to the American Revolution. On September 1, 1774, General Thomas Gage landed with British troops at the 10 Hills Farm on Mystic River, whereupon they marched up Broadway and seized the 250 barrels of gunpowder that were being stored at the former Mallet farm. This event marked the first act of aggression by the British toward the colonies and consequently trigged the “Powder Alarm,” where many individuals from the surrounding villages prepared to march to Boston for battle, though their actions proved to be premature.

The structure did, however, serve as a critical munitions depot for the Continental Army during the 1775-76 siege of Boston, a fact which is honored by a nearby bronze sculpture of a hat worn by said soldiers.

In 1818, the Massachusetts Bay Colony sold the land to Peter Tufts, later inherited by Nathan Tufts (for whom the surrounding park is named), during which time the Powder House was incorporated into the Powder House Farm. Moreover, the building was also used as a storage facility for “Old Powder House Brand” pickles.

The structure and surrounding land were finally sold to Somerville in 1892 for the price of $1. The land was then converted into a park, designed by Horace Eaton, where the Old Power House was renovated and repaired.

I was born and raised in Sumvil, the Gateway to Meffa.

 

[Broc]

Would this have to go through Congress?

 

[Parker Schreiber]

Would this have to go through Congress?

No. Congress could pass a law to reverse it. Even if the Supreme Court rolls back Chevron next term, a change from "report once" to "report yearly," would likely still pass muster.

 

[EddieZoom]