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Article: Progressives Don’t Understand How Gun ‘Silencers’ Work. Here Are Some Facts
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They're suppressors. As in, they suppress. They're not silencers because they don't silence.
People (sheep) tend to pay attention to Hollywood and TV too much. Silencers are always used by the bad guys to cover up a murder.
Dumbass progressives think that is how they will be used by gun owners in real life. Thus they oppose restrictions being removed.
Dumbass progressives think that is how they will be used by gun owners in real life. Thus they oppose restrictions being removed.
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What they also don't understand is that suppressors were added to the NFA as an anti-poaching measure. So people have been found guilty of felonies and lost Constitutional rights so bambi isn't hunted out of season (when the disadvantaged family still needs to eat).
GJH86
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Geesh...don't you all know that there are gangs of assassins roaming the towns and cities armed with pistols and rifles in full silence mode?!? These guys are stone killers, gotta stop them somehow/sarcasm x1000
If we're going to be arguing the fine points of a "suppressor" vs a "silencer" how about also addressing the point of "progressive" vs "conservative". At what point in time does it actually become "progressive" as in to make progress and change to repeal antiquated ignorant laws like the NFA tax on suppressors? If we are gaining a right that we haven't had in 83 years is that not progress?
so- what you're saying is... if suppressors (which also silence the noise of a firearm) were sold to the public as easily as buying a box of ammo, they wouldn't show up more often with gun crimes?
Ah, excellent logic! By that token, every knife should have a required device installed so when you make a stabbing or slicing motion with it, it emits a 133 db explosive noise. This should cut down on knife crime immensely! Legitimate users
making dinner or something just need to wear ear protection!
roccoracer
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I think not much. If your pistol has a suppressor attached it is very difficult to conceal it and it is also harder to shoot accurately. why would the average gang banger go thru the trouble and added expense?
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my logic is 100% sound... regardless what the "intended" lawful purpose of a suppressor is, the fact is, they do effect the level of noise from a firearm. It's not difficult to understand why some people are suspicious of them. Personally, as a law abiding citizen, I feel you should be able to purchase any firearm or firearm accessory you want- but don't kid yourselves into believing a key advantage of a suppressor is the reduction of noise (hence silencer). There are bad people out there who will exploit the advantages of using a suppressor on a firearm to commit a crime. I find more non-shooters and even a lot of shooters are more confused between what a compensator is vs. a suppressor. suppressors can't turn someone into a bad person- but they DO allow a bad person to conceal a crime easier with it, than without it. One of the first things our instructor taught us in USMC boot camp (25 years ago) was how the sound of a weapon can win a war before it even starts.
To answer your question directly- A) there is no secondary feature to a knife; knives are made to cut, and that's all. whereas suppressors contain primary and secondary features.
B) yes, if a knife made a loud explosion sound every time it was used, that would pose as a serious deterrent.
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I really can't comment on the degree gun violence would change if suppressors were easily obtainable- but I do agree that it certainly makes a firearm more clumsy to handle. Would the average gang banger take the time to use a suppressor? I dunno- depends on the crime and criminal. Stealth is key to some crimes, some high-rollers may.
Look- the argument for suppressors is equal to that of firearms; it's not an issue when used by a law abiding citizen under the purposes for which it was intended... but you can't logically say that there's no noise advantage to using a suppressor!
Suppressors ARE easily obtainable, for anyone who doesn't care about the law (and what is the defining characteristic of a criminal?).
You can make a reusable suppressor with less than $100 in parts from a hardware store. You can make a single use suppressor from an empty 2L coke bottle. It's not rocket science.
Any argument about crime going up as a result of deregulating suppressors is specious. If it was going to be a problem, it already would be. It isn't for the reasons the article author points out.
You can make a reusable suppressor with less than $100 in parts from a hardware store. You can make a single use suppressor from an empty 2L coke bottle. It's not rocket science.
Any argument about crime going up as a result of deregulating suppressors is specious. If it was going to be a problem, it already would be. It isn't for the reasons the article author points out.
Also, in those European countries where you can still legally own a firearm... suppressors are cash and carry items. And at many (most?) shooting ranges over there, suppressors are required both for noise abatement with neighbors and for safety concerns. Does Europe have a verifiable, statistically significant problem with illegal suppressor usage? No. So stop thinking about this emotionally and start thinking rationally.
Great Article............I learned a lot from it!
Thank god criminals don't own a machine shop.
It would be machine guns, silencers, cannons and grenades for everyone!
Good luck with those laws you stupid ignorant fools that don't understand that an object does not make a person a murderer .
A person makes themselves a murderer for any object can be made a weapon. Including himself!
It would be machine guns, silencers, cannons and grenades for everyone!
Good luck with those laws you stupid ignorant fools that don't understand that an object does not make a person a murderer .
A person makes themselves a murderer for any object can be made a weapon. Including himself!
you make some good points with the europe stuff- but a bit out of line saying they are easily obtainable, and saying I'm not thinking rationally... They are NOT easily obtainable, and they are NOT sold in most gun stores in new england. I am thinking 100% rationally. It's really a simple logic-train to follow actually... all criminals would prefer to not be caught > being stealthy is highly desirable to most criminals > suppressors DO MAKE GUNS QUIETER > therefor a suppressor IS a desirable item to a (smart) criminal. I know If I were a career criminal who used a firearm to carry out my illegal endeavors- having a suppressor would be top of my list of things to own- just another tool to help not draw attention to myself- that's a 100% rational thought right there. In my opinion, this author comes across as having a tantrum. A couple things in his article are incorrect. If he can't understand why some people (liberals, non-shooter republicans, democrats- whatever) are ignorant and suspicious about suppressors, then he shouldn't be writing articles in the first place. He lost some credibility with me as he passionately hammers the point that suppressors don't silence a gun... but then bases the premise of his article on the fact that suppressors are desirable tools to shooters because they make the gun less noisy to shoot (which IS THE REASON why "those" people don't like suppressors!!!) -they make guns quieter. who cares how they work, the FACT is, they DO make guns quieter! You can talk about pressure-waves all you want, at the end of the day, your ears feel better because the gun was quieter with a suppressor! Trust me, I share his frustration the amount of ignorance out there (don't get me started on people calling a rifle an "assault" rifle because it has black plastic on it!), but I also understand the other side. I'm MORE frustrated that people who know more about firearms aren't in political positions capable to educate the public about this nonsense! The guy who wrote this article is preaching to the choir! I'm sure 80% of the people who read his article already understand the basics behind a suppressor!
I do own a machine shop (lathe, mill, resurfacer among a bunch of other metal working tools) and I could easily make a suppressor, but even I am just to lazy to want to- not to mention I don't really want a boyfriend named bubba! ha- criminals want supressors for the same reason why I put a quiet muffler on my atv and turn the sound off when I surf porn...
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To answer your question directly- A) there is no secondary feature to a knife; knives are made to cut, and that's all. whereas suppressors contain primary and secondary features.
B) yes, if a knife made a loud explosion sound every time it was used, that would pose as a serious deterrent.
I'm pretty sure guns have one "primary feature": to send a bullet out the end of the barrel.
Where it goes is up to the user.
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To answer your question directly- A) there is no secondary feature to a knife; knives are made to cut, and that's all. whereas suppressors contain primary and secondary features.
B) yes, if a knife made a loud explosion sound every time it was used, that would pose as a serious deterrent.
I'm pretty sure guns have one "primary feature": to send a bullet out the end of the barrel.
Where it goes is up to the user.
you make some good points with the europe stuff- but a bit out of line saying they are easily obtainable, and saying I'm not thinking rationally... They are NOT easily obtainable, and they are NOT sold in most gun stores in new england. I am thinking 100% rationally. It's really a simple logic-train to follow actually... all criminals would prefer to not be caught > being stealthy is highly desirable to most criminals > suppressors DO MAKE GUNS QUIETER > therefor a suppressor IS a desirable item to a (smart) criminal. I know If I were a career criminal who used a firearm to carry out my illegal endeavors- having a suppressor would be top of my list of things to own- just another tool to help not draw attention to myself- that's a 100% rational thought right there. In my opinion, this author comes across as having a tantrum. A couple things in his article are incorrect. If he can't understand why some people (liberals, non-shooter republicans, democrats- whatever) are ignorant and suspicious about suppressors, then he shouldn't be writing articles in the first place. He lost some credibility with me as he passionately hammers the point that suppressors don't silence a gun... but then bases the premise of his article on the fact that suppressors are desirable tools to shooters because they make the gun less noisy to shoot (which IS THE REASON why "those" people don't like suppressors!!!) -they make guns quieter. who cares how they work, the FACT is, they DO make guns quieter! You can talk about pressure-waves all you want, at the end of the day, your ears feel better because the gun was quieter with a suppressor! Trust me, I share his frustration the amount of ignorance out there (don't get me started on people calling a rifle an "assault" rifle because it has black plastic on it!), but I also understand the other side. I'm MORE frustrated that people who know more about firearms aren't in political positions capable to educate the public about this nonsense! The guy who wrote this article is preaching to the choir! I'm sure 80% of the people who read his article already understand the basics behind a suppressor!
I do own a machine shop (lathe, mill, resurfacer among a bunch of other metal working tools) and I could easily make a suppressor, but even I am just to lazy to want to- not to mention I don't really want a boyfriend named bubba! ha- criminals want supressors for the same reason why I put a quiet muffler on my atv and turn the sound off when I surf porn...
And you're ignoring my point that they ARE easily obtainable, for anyone who has the inclination to make one. A crude suppressor can be made with almost no skill. If suppressors were going to be used in crimes in a statistically significant way, they already would be. If it makes you feel any better, the proposed bill would make suppressors Title I firearms subject to a NICS check at any FFL selling one - they wouldn't be mail order items.
The arguments against taking suppressors out of the NFA Title II category sounds to me exactly like the kind of things the antis said when Florida became the first state to start issuing concealed carry permits. They said that blood would be running in the streets, that it would be like the "wild west". It hasn't turned out that way, has it? Florida was at the forefront of a wave of states passing laws that recognize the right to self defense. Violent crime has been steadily falling across the country ever since. It's all very chicken little, isn't it?
ToddDubya
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I hope if I ever get shot it isn't with a quiet gun.
Unless your name is Pete Townsend, and you have a medically-diagnosed, career-endangering case of Tinnitus, you're NOT convincing anyone that you NEED one of these things. Stop the B.S. Its a toy, at best. It does not improve accuracy one bit, in fact it probably makes things harder for you to keep on-target, what with that bulbous mass of metal attached to the end of your barrel. I have-yet to hear on any MA local news programs of Police having to respond, ad-nauseam, to noise complaints from area residents near outdoor gun ranges. People have been enjoying shooting sports, and defending themselves/family for decades without them. This is NOT a cross you want to nail yourselves to.
You'll last long here.
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