Article: POPE FRANCIS SCOLDS CONGRESS FOR GUN AND WEAPONS SALES

Hmmm...

Did Martin Luther King or Mohandas Gandhi (neither gov't officials, I realize) have any armed guards? Apparently King did, for his family, at least.

Supposedly Gandhi did not, even when people offered to accompany him armed, he refused.

Interesting inconsistency/consistency...Imagine if the pope had said, "No armed protection for me while I speak out against arms..."

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So, Christians are being slaughtered in bunches, the first earliest Christian city are being tour he'd by Muslims and he is worried about gun sales in the US and global warming.

Get a ****ing clue. Why doesn't the vatican take in refugees? Why doesn't the pope go out and protect his flock?
 
71montess said:
You've been butthurt for a couple of days now. Take a rest.
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can you come up with a more original phrase than butthurt? It's pretty ****ing stupid and played out.

Someone said (ignorantly) "why doesn't the vatican take in refuges"....It took me two seconds to find evidence they they, in fact are as well as asking every single parish in Europe to do the same.

Maybe if people read a little bit before posting stupid nonsense....nope nevermind that's not the NES way.

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new guy said:
The Vatican is taking in two (2) families.
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Gotta start somewhere.

I'm sure you do tons of charity for people though.
 
So the AR15 is the weapon of revolution and conflict around the world? And all this time I thought it was the AK. Silly me.
 
jhblaze1 said:
oh it was in post 34. Try to keep up pal.

What's your direct question, princess?
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Oh right, where you backed up your defense of the Vatican doing their part to absorb the flood of refugees by posting a pair of links to the same story about them taking in two families of refugees. "It's a start," right? [laugh]

You know how we can tell when you've lost the argument? When you start with the ridiculous insults, like calling people princess. Seems to be your SOP, which says it all.
 
aerosaaber said:
So the AR15 is the weapon of revolution and conflict around the world? And all this time I thought it was the AK. Silly me.
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Too bad it isn't! As long as azzholes are killing each other, they might as well buy our product and make jobs here, right? Same with jets, tanks, everything. We take the pseudo higher moral ground and get screwed for it. I wouldn't sell anything to POS Arab terrorist/supporting countries, but anyone else where their fighting won't come over here. Gee, that sounds pretty mercenary and capitalist.

This message was Not approved by Pope Francis!
 
W.E.C said:
Boys, learn how to read.
foriegn heavy weapons sales by the .gov

are not domestic small arms sales for domestic use.
im sure the pope doesn't give a crap about your small arms.
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He already covered that base by shitting on us in an earlier diatribe.

-Mike
 
Isn't interesting that global sales are the highest ever under Obama yet he continually tries to disarm his own citizens.
 
ThePreBanMan said:
No religious leader should be speaking before congress. The pope or otherwise. We have no state religion and the state should not be entertaining the preaching from any religion.
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I'm sorry but you are wrong on this. We are not the Soviet Union. The only part you got right was "we have no state religion". Yep, including atheism.
 
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Horrible said:
All "Religious" Statists, uh ehemm, "Leaders" don't believe in self defense...at least for the commoner.

Not sure about the other 2013 gun control hearings, but the one held at AIC in Springfield had a "panel" of "religious leaders" in the community speak in favor of moar gun control in MA!

Screw the statism of the Pontiff.
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But they still wanted S&W and others to donate money to all their 'causes'.

I was at that hearing - all for more gun control, and releasing all the criminals because of 'forgiveness'. That group had some odd sides to their position.
 
GomerPile said:
The pope was NOT speaking about gun control.

He was talking about the US government exporting weapons to all over the place (where we have no business being I might add). Much of this is to prop up countries where the politicians think we have an interest. Or we export to a country we support who acts as a proxy for US interests. Defense contractors lobby many of these politicians to make them believe we have an interest to export weapons to various places.

The pope is right, we should make lots of guns and sell them to people who live in this country not other countries. If other countries think its important enough to have guns and other weapons, they should step up and make them. As we have learned here on NES, its possible to make an AK out of a shovel...other countries should have no problems making their own weapons.

Pro 2A folks are trying to make hay out of something...they are making themselves look like idiots. I am not religious and don't give a crap about the pope.
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Correct.

What the Poop is talking about is the same thing that Dwight D. Eisenhower talked about : The military industrial complex - and our interventionist government - run amuck. They do it here at home - and they do it abroad too.

That being said: The Poop is a commie turd. He's talking out of both side of his mouth. First he stands in front of Congress and tells them what we have obligations to support the disadvantaged , import millions of illegal aliens, put a bunch of people on welfare - etc.
Now he's arguing that he doesn't like it that we export weapons all over the world?

He basically argued for big government - and now he's arguing that big government shouldn't export weapons around the world. Pay attention much? Ask for one - you're going to get the other in the package - that's the way it works.
 
calsdad said:
Correct.

What the Poop is talking about is the same thing that Dwight D. Eisenhower talked about : The military industrial complex - and our interventionist government - run amuck. They do it here at home - and they do it abroad too.

That being said: The Poop is a commie turd. He's talking out of both side of his mouth. First he stands in front of Congress and tells them what we have obligations to support the disadvantaged , import millions of illegal aliens, put a bunch of people on welfare - etc.
Now he's arguing that he doesn't like it that we export weapons all over the world?

He basically argued for big government - and now he's arguing that big government shouldn't export weapons around the world. Pay attention much? Ask for one - you're going to get the other in the package - that's the way it works.
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When have you EVER heard the Pope talk about small or big government? Size of government is irrelevant to him or the church. The church is a monarchy. He's talking about actions taken by any government. It cracks me the **** up when I see people expecting the Pope to espouse the same attitudes as American Protestantism. Apples and oranges. True Catholicism is communal not Communist. There's a difference but it's also fundamentally incompatible with American style democracy.
 
He , the pope, doesn't want us to get arms to the resistance of oppressive dictators, but he wants us to take in thses economic and war refugees. I say stay out of it altogether, no arms and NO refugees.
 
Bob P said:
When have you EVER heard the Pope talk about small or big government? Size of government is irrelevant to him or the church. The church is a monarchy. He's talking about actions taken by any government. It cracks me the **** up when I see people expecting the Pope to espouse the same attitudes as American Protestantism. Apples and oranges. True Catholicism is communal not Communist. There's a difference but it's also fundamentally incompatible with American style democracy.
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Who did he just give a speech in front of?

CONGRESS

What did he say when stood in front of a bunch of politicians (the goverment) and gave his speec - the first time a Poop has spoke before the GOVERNMENT.

If he had wanted to speak before the people - there's a lot of other places he could have done outside of the CONGRESS building.

Here's what he said:

Each son or daughter of a given country has a mission, a personal and social responsibility. Your own responsibility as members of Congress is to enable this country, by your legislative activity, to grow as a nation. You are the face of its people, their representatives. You are called to defend and preserve the dignity of your fellow citizens in the tireless and demanding pursuit of the common good, for this is the chief aim of all politics. A political society endures when it seeks, as a vocation, to satisfy common needs by stimulating the growth of all its members, especially those in situations of greater vulnerability or risk. Legislative activity is always based on care for the people. To this you have been invited, called and convened by those who elected you.

Yours is a work which makes me reflect in two ways on the figure of Moses. On the one hand, the patriarch and lawgiver of the people of Israel symbolizes the need of peoples to keep alive their sense of unity by means of just legislation. On the other, the figure of Moses leads us directly to God and thus to the transcendent dignity of the human being. Moses provides us with a good synthesis of your work: you are asked to protect, by means of the law, the image and likeness fashioned by God on every human face.

Today I would like not only to address you, but through you the entire people of the United States. Here, together with their representatives, I would like to take this opportunity to dialogue with the many thousands of men and women who strive each day to do an honest day’s work, to bring home their daily bread, to save money and –one step at a time – to build a better life for their families. These are men and women who are not concerned simply with paying their taxes, but in their own quiet way sustain the life of society. They generate solidarity by their actions, and they create organizations which offer a helping hand to those most in need.
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Sorry - but that sure sounds like a call to governmental action to me.


The highlighted portions of his speech above are in DIRECT contradiction to the duties of the government laid out by the founders.

The ARE NOT however - in contradiction with the duties of the government - as laid out by proponents of the welfare state.

Like I said: The Poop can go screw himself with a little boy.

You're correct about it all being incompatible with the American democratic REPUBLIC.
 
calsdad said:
Who did he just give a speech in front of?

CONGRESS

What did he say when stood in front of a bunch of politicians (the goverment) and gave his speec - the first time a Poop has spoke before the GOVERNMENT.

If he had wanted to speak before the people - there's a lot of other places he could have done outside of the CONGRESS building.

Here's what he said:



Sorry - but that sure sounds like a call to governmental action to me.


The highlighted portions of his speech above are in DIRECT contradiction to the duties of the government laid out by the founders.

The ARE NOT however - in contradiction with the duties of the government - as laid out by proponents of the welfare state.

Like I said: The Poop can go screw himself with a little boy.

You're correct about it all being incompatible with the American democratic REPUBLIC.
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Dude did you even read what I wrote?

1) the church is not Communist. Communism is a specific ideology incompatible with religion. The church is communalist. There's a difference.

2) the church doesn't give a shit about small government so your claim that he espouses both small and big government positions and is inconsistent for it makes no sense. At no time was the church FOR small government

3) expecting the Catholic Church to hold the same positions as decentralized American Protestant sects shows an ignorance of the tennents of both

4) the church is incompatible with Ameican style democracy (I know we're a republic. We're a democratic republic small d. Stop being a prig) due to its focus on the collective over the individual.


I'm for the most part agreeing with you but feel free to argue for the sake of hearing your own voice.
 
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Easy there fellas. What did any of you expect? Were you thinking the Pope was gonna show up and say " Well you got the whole freedom of religion thing right but now you need national reciprocity, allow constitutional carry and full auto for all !!

He is the Pope FFS. ( I will confess that next sunday )

I don't take firearm advice from the church and I don't take spiritual advice from my accountant ( besides - I think he is Jewish) and don't lay pedophilia at the feet of the Pope unless you are willing to accept responsibility for slavery and racism. He raped as many kids as you lynched black people.

You guys also crack me up about refugees. The church has been pretty active in helping people in need around the world, and often at great personal peril.

BTW - I do think he should focus in Russian arms. Third world African shitholes are not buying M4's with $1000 ACOG's
 
It's such crap, in the Book of Nehemiah, after the wall of Jerusalem is
destroyed, Nehemiah is permitted to begin rebuilding the wall.

The enemies of the Jews plot to attack Jerusalem which necessitates the
Jews working with weapons in their hands.

KJV Nehemiah 4:17
They which builded on the wall, and they that bare burdens,
with those that laded, every one with one of his hands wrought
in the work, and with the other hand held a weapon.
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This is one of countless example's of weapons, war
and violence in the Bible, that are justified by God.

  • Exodus 2:11-12
  • Exodus 22:2-3
  • Psalm 144:1
  • Isaiah 1:17
  • Proverbs 24:10-11
  • Nehemiah 4:11-23

and don't forget the "Biblical Gun Control"

Israel Without Weapons

1 Samuel 13:19-22
Now there was no smith found throughout all the land of Israel:
for the Philistines said, Lest the Hebrews make them swords or spears:
But all the Israelites went down to the Philistines, to sharpen every man his
share, and his coulter, and his axe, and his mattock. Yet they had a file for
the mattocks, and for the coulters, and for the forks, and for the axes, and
to sharpen the goads. So it came to pass in the day of battle, that there was
neither sword nor spear found in the hand of any of the people that were with
Saul and Jonathan: but with Saul and with Jonathan his son was there found.
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The pope is just another crooked politician with funny clothes. Think all those Swiss Guards are not armed with the latest weapons. He's like a white nobama. When I see him auctioning off all the BILLIONS of $$$ worth of artwork in the Vatican to help out the "needy" maybe I'll listen to him but till then he's just another socialist looking to spend other peoples' money.
 

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