Article: Jersey City to only buy guns from 'socially responsible' manufacturer, offic

The company's website tells it like the contract is for the whole state.

New Jersey State Contract

The New Jersey Police & Homeland Security Equipment & Supplies Contract covers a wide range of equipment for the public safety and first responder communities of New Jersey. Additionally, the contract is awarded to the New Jersey Purchase Bureau’s cooperative purchasing partners.

Valid in the state of NJ
Contract Expires 4/30/2015
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http://www.lawmensupply.com/NJContracts.html
 
Jason Flare said:
In the name of Liberty, if every manufacturer refused to sell to LE, this would be a failed experiment.
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Ultimately it will probably be the other way around with manufacturers being pressured to sell only to LEO suppliers, and supply companies like Lawmen Supply Company are probably just seeing the writing on the wall.
 
DispositionMatrix said:
Ultimately it will probably be the other way around with manufacturers being pressured to sell only to LEO suppliers, and supply companies like Lawmen Supply Company are probably just seeing the writing on the wall.
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That would be an interesting turn of events in the battle for Liberty, with the firearm manufacturers the enemy of the people.
 
Jason Flare said:
That would be an interesting turn of events in the battle for Liberty, with the firearm manufacturers the enemy of the people.
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"Enemy of the people" will not be part of the narrative. The manufacturers and/or suppliers will be considered socially responsible and looking out for the children.
 
CobaltBlueSteel said:
The company's website tells it like the contract is for the whole state.
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It sounds like they are offering the same terms to any NJ LE agency, not closing a deal with all agencies.

This move will hopefully have no effect, as it will just drive that town and some others to LE only dealers, rather than change the practice of the distributors that now sell to both.
 
Rob Boudrie said:
It sounds like they are offering the same terms to any NJ LE agency, not closing a deal with all agencies.

This move will hopefully have no effect, as it will just drive that town and some others to LE only dealers, rather than change the practice of the distributors that now sell to both.
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http://www.state.nj.us/treasury/purchase/noa/contracts/t0106_12-x-21817.shtml

Looks statewide and they're the only Glock, Mossberg, Ruger supplier listed. Pretty exclusive.
 
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robjax said:
Yup...manufacturers of guns and ammo should stop selling to government and law enforcement agencies.
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If they have to choose between swimming in taxpayer money from state and federal contracts or selling to civilians, which do you think they would choose?
 
If we bought a handgun for every cop and soldier every year, still only 10% of volume

DispositionMatrix said:
If they have to choose between swimming in taxpayer money from state and federal contracts or selling to civilians, which do you think they would choose?
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Look at the relative sales volume and profit margins. How many guns a year do we buy for our (fewer than 1 million total) law enforcement officers? For our (about 1.3M total) front-line military personnel?

Last year, there were about 20 million new firearms purchased at retail in the USA. No manufacturer can give up that revenue stream and survive.
 
So I wonder when there is an event in which an officer's firearm is stolen becasue it wasn't secured properly and used in an unfortunate way. Would the Jersey City PD no longer themselves be socially responsible? What if an officer uses a firearm in a criminal manner, again, are they no longer socially responsible? [popcorn]
 
Jason Flare said:
In the name of Liberty, if every manufacturer refused to sell to LE, this would be a failed experiment.
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In that case, it would be about 3 seconds before the .gov went into the business of manufacturing and selling firearms to LE and we would be hearing about massive "shortages" of available materials necessary for private manufacturers to produce. I'm honestly surprised this hasn't already occurred.
 
This is a fraudulent exercise orchestrated by uppity metropolitan liberals who think THEY can make a difference. They are the meddlers who march us down the road to serfdom.
 
BBQ.Uncle said:
In that case, it would be about 3 seconds before the .gov went into the business of manufacturing and selling firearms to LE and we would be hearing about massive "shortages" of available materials necessary for private manufacturers to produce. I'm honestly surprised this hasn't already occurred.
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That'd be difficult to pull off -- Just going with New Hampshire companies, Ruger gets their parts made at the same investment casting plants and materials as numerous automotive and medical firms. And Sig CNC mills from generic 416 stainless steel blanks.
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New Jersey selected "Lawmen Supply Company" as the distributor, I don't see anything about manufacturers in the referenced article?
 
Kevin_NH said:
That'd be difficult to pull off -- Just going with New Hampshire companies, Ruger gets their parts made at the same investment casting plants and materials as numerous automotive and medical firms. And Sig CNC mills from generic 416 stainless steel blanks.
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New Jersey selected "Lawmen Supply Company" as the distributor, I don't see anything about manufacturers in the referenced article?
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i thought ruger owned the own casting plant and the make casting for other companies.
 
I think in order to be "socially responsible" a company would have to decline selling all government agencies any firearm regular citizens can't buy.

NJ claims it wants safety, then buys select fire weapons for its police. Yeah, public safety is really their primary concern [thinking]
 
Quite frankly we use way more ammo and buy more supplies then they do in the long run, any company that dose not comply may see s boost in sales on the private side due to the respect they show yo the people
 
This is treading on dangerous ground... the state deciding where to award contracts based on arbitrary criteria. Contracts should go to the lowest bidder, period.
 
DispositionMatrix said:
"Enemy of the people" will not be part of the narrative. The manufacturers and/or suppliers will be considered socially responsible and looking out for the children.
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Would not be a very good business decision for the manufacturers. There are what ... a couple of hundred thousand LEOs out there and how many millions of citizen gun owners? LEO market will gets saturated fast ... then what would the gun makers do?
 
hammer02 said:
Would not be a very good business decision for the manufacturers. There are what ... a couple of hundred thousand LEOs out there and how many millions of citizen gun owners? LEO market will gets saturated fast ... then what would the gun makers do?
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Including campus cops, around 1 million LEO when you count city/state/federal law enforcement, plus 1.3 million active duty military.

Compare that to the US civilian market for firearms, somewhere north of 15 million new firearms a year (based on BATFE numbers from 2012 and adjusted NSSF NICS check statistics).
 

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