Article: GOP Senators Push for Concealed-Carry State Reciprocity Law

While in an ideal world we don't want more federal involvement in states rights, we need to not step on our own principaled dicks and withhold support for this. Being trapped in the NE by the statist communist regimes in NJ and NY we need a path out...
 
Some groups oppose such measures, however, including Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership.

"We are not a fan of permits," says the JPFO's communications coordinator, Charles Heller. "What we respect are places like Arizona, Vermont, Alaska, parts of Wyoming, where you don't need a permit. You just carry a gun."
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I like these guys


 
So what's the argument against (just playing devil's advocate so we know how to formulate an argument FOR)?

Can states pull state's rights BS?
The children?
 
This is election year politics, plain and simple. No way 0bama will sign it, and no way they get enough to over-ride a veto - just a game.
 
exodious said:
This. And I suspect that this could backfire badly. It's like the first step towards a federally issued gun license.
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The threats from national reciprocity are threefold:

-Feds get to force a lowest common denominator for CCW issuance; means states either have to adopt two different licenses or they have to just adopt the fed standard. Because of costs, most states will just suck for the latter.

-Shitty anti gun states (esp places like NJ, Maryland, etc) will RAPE the **** out of laws pertaining to "legal CCW" and make the license have all kinds of garbage/failbuses attached to it. Binding signage, must notify, etc, etc ad nauseam.

-Depending on how the chips fall weird cases at home might jeopardize one's ability to CCW in other states. Example- Let's say Fed law pushes for reciprocity for all carry capable gov issued permits. Remotes stop issuing nonresident licenses. A MA restricted LTC-A holder is now up shit creek with no paddle- because his license is ****ed up (its not CCW capable by law) and nobody issues a license anymore to nonresidents. Residents who live in full blown anti shitholes can't carry in other states at all because they cannot obtain a local permit, so there's nothing to be "reciprocated" upon.

-Mike
 
CrackPot said:
While in an ideal world we don't want more federal involvement in states rights, we need to not step on our own principaled dicks and withhold support for this. Being trapped in the NE by the statist communist regimes in NJ and NY we need a path out...
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Crackpot - I'm with you on this concern. However one of the premises of the bill of rights is that the supremacy clause can be invoked by the federal government when states INFRINGE on citizen's rights.

This is an appropriate use of a federal government.
 
dcmdon said:
Crackpot - I'm with you on this concern. However one of the premises of the bill of rights is that the supremacy clause can be invoked by the federal government when states INFRINGE on citizen's rights.

This is an appropriate use of a federal government.
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Exactly!!

States don't have rights. People have rights. States have powers. When a state's power infringe on human rights as protected by the Bill of Rights, the role of the federal government is to ensure that the rights of the people are not abridged. This is one of the few things it is supposed to do!
 
30Mauser said:
Exactly!!

States don't have rights. People have rights. States have powers. When a state's power infringe on human rights as protected by the Bill of Rights, the role of the federal government is to ensure that the rights of the people are not abridged. This is one of the few things it is supposed to do!
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This by lots. Though I'm afraid the feds stepping in will make it mostly worse.
 
StevieP said:
Hopefully this will get further than it did the last time. I'm sure it will get no support from our MA delegation.

Does anyone suppose writing to them would actually make a difference?
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`Yes, because these one size fits none federal over-reaches always turn out SOOOO well.

/sarcasm.
 
What's the fed law (if it even exists) that extends drivers' licenses reciprocity across state lines? One can drive from Maine to California and everywhere in between and there's no "reciprocity" nonsense to consider.
 
mikem317 said:
What's the fed law (if it even exists) that extends drivers' licenses reciprocity across state lines? One can drive from Maine to California and everywhere in between and there's no "reciprocity" nonsense to consider.
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It's Constitutional Doctrine. privileges and Immunities Clause mainly.
 
mikem317 said:
What's the fed law (if it even exists) that extends drivers' licenses reciprocity across state lines? One can drive from Maine to California and everywhere in between and there's no "reciprocity" nonsense to consider.
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This is the beauty of it....wait for it......there is no federal law extending/mandating reciprocity wrt drivers licenses issued by states.

Fed Gov has no authority wrt who can carry and where they can carry.

There's nothing in the US Constitution at all that grants the fed gov the power/authority to regulate rkba of individuals OR the regulations that individual states may draw up.

Quite the opposite.....2A is a prohibition on the Fed Gov infringement of RKBA

You and I might not like it in some cases but putting the bloated/unconstitutional aspects of the fed gov back into its box is the right approach to RKBA.......trying to use unconstitutional over reach and further codification of federal transgressions to cook up schemes to justify RKBA will blow up spectacularly in our faces......particularly given that it all hinges on the "opinion" of a single justice on the supreme court.

You don't like the laws of your state then pick up and move to one that better suits you.

This has multiple effects.....it starves the tyrannical dem machine of your unwilling forced contributions AND it starves the state of representation at the federal level over time.

As revenue drops the dem machine starves

As representation in congress drops for tyranical dem states like Mass and Cali and INCREASES for relatively free/prosperous states we win.

Competition for good government between states is THE solution.

Vote with your feet.
 
We need a SCOTUS ruling affirming the right to bear arms outside of the home. This will help address a whole host of problems including crossing state lines. One we have such a ruling let the lawsuits begin.
 
edhead35 said:
Yeah, you go Republicans, and use candy to convince your voters that you support freedom, yet the very law itself "allowing" concealed carry reciprocity, legitimizes all gun laws good and bad.

Shall not be infringed is enough for me.
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