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The point is that the people need to take their own safety into their own hands at times.
humanity got along just fine without a standing police force, especially in rural areas and sparsely populated territories. The real problem is that laws used to be much simpler then. The difference is not "law of the jungle" vs "civilized society", it's the same thing, just attaching different labels to actors in each scenario.
humanity got along just fine without a standing police force, especially in rural areas and sparsely populated territories. The real problem is that laws used to be much simpler then. The difference is not "law of the jungle" vs "civilized society", it's the same thing, just attaching different labels to actors in each scenario.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/...-oregon-citizens-against-crime_n_1975029.html
Such as this?
(CAC Patrol - heheheh.)
So they released a bunch of prisoners and basically said "you're on your own."
It's extortion.
I would take means to defend my family and myself and anybody else that needed it.
Where is the State Police?
Where is the State Police? I'm sure members of the county pay state taxes. I know in my town, a few years ago, they were almost called in to cover the 12 - 8 AM shift because of budget woes but with some "creative" financial moves it never materialized.
If you're not a soldier, you're a citizen.
what is you're a Marine?
Soldiers are citizens.
Soldiers are citizens.
The point is that the people need to take their own safety into their own hands at times.
Police have no legal duty to respond and prevent crime or protect the victim. There have BEEN OVER 10 various supreme and state court cases the individual has never won. Notably, the Supreme Court STATED about the responsibility of police for the security of your family and loved ones is "You, and only you, are responsible for your security and the security of your family and loved ones. That was the essence of a U.S. Supreme Court decision in the early 1980's when they ruled that the police do not have a duty to protect you as an individual, but to protect society as a whole."
"It is well-settled fact of American law that the police have no legal duty to protect any individual citizen from crime, even if the citizen has received death threats and the police have negligently failed to provide protection."
Sources:
7/15/05 SUPREME COURT OF THE UNITED STATES No. 04-278 TOWN OF CASTLE ROCK, COLORADO, PETITIONER v. JESSICA GONZALES, INDIVIDUALLY AND AS NEXT BEST FRIEND OF HER DECEASED MINOR CHILDREN, REBECCA GONZALES, KATHERYN GONZALES, AND LESLIE GONZALES
On June 27, in the case of Castle Rock v. Gonzales, the Supreme Court found that Jessica Gonzales did not have a constitutional right to individual police protection even in the presence of a restraining order. Mrs. Gonzales' husband with a track record of violence, stabbing Mrs. Gonzales to death, Mrs. Gonzales' family could not get the Supreme Court to change their unanimous decision for one's individual protection. YOU ARE ON YOUR OWN FOLKS AND GOVERNMENT BODIES ARE REFUSING TO PASS THE Safety Ordinance.
(1) Richard W. Stevens. 1999. Dial 911 and Die. Hartford, Wisconsin: Mazel Freedom Press.
(2) Barillari v. City of Milwaukee, 533 N.W.2d 759 (Wis. 1995).
(3) Bowers v. DeVito, 686 F.2d 616 (7th Cir. 1982).
(4) DeShaney v. Winnebago County Department of Social Services, 489 U.S. 189 (1989).
(5) Ford v. Town of Grafton, 693 N.E.2d 1047 (Mass. App. 1998).
(6) Warren v. District of Columbia, 444 A.2d 1 (D.C. 1981).
"...a government and its agencies are under no general duty to provide public services, such as police protection, to any particular individual citizen..." -Warren v. District of Columbia, 444 A.2d 1 (D.C. App. 1981)
(7) "What makes the City's position particularly difficult to understand is that, in conformity to the dictates of the law, Linda did not carry any weapon for self-defense. Thus by a rather bitter irony she was required to rely for protection on the City of NY which now denies all responsibility to her."
Riss v. New York, 22 N.Y.2d 579,293 N.Y.S.2d 897, 240 N.E.2d 806 (1958).
(8) "Law enforcement agencies and personnel have no duty to protect individuals from the criminal acts of others; instead their duty is to preserve the peace and arrest law breakers for the protection of the general public."
Lynch v. N.C. Dept. of Justice, 376 S.E. 2nd 247 (N.C. App. 1989)
New York Times, Washington DC
Justices Rule Police Do Not Have a Constitutional Duty to Protect Someone By LINDA GREENHOUSE Published: June 28, 2005
The ruling applies even for a woman who had obtained a court-issued protective order against a violent husband making an arrest mandatory for a violation.
This is interesting.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...ed-ore-county-guts-sheriff/?intcmp=latestnews
Discuss...
Ken Selig -- who was the longest-serving law enforcement officer in all three local agencies when he was forced to retire from the department due to cuts -- told FoxNews.com he found the sheriff’s declaration unacceptable. And he felt compelled to guard his community’s vulnerable members.
"Citizens with benefits" (and early retirement!) (and MRAPS) (and exemptions from most laws)
And right now it isn't there because the .gov was more concerned with a couple hippies shedding tears for the rare double breasted dork dangler's seasonal habitat than the livelihood of humans and their communities that supported a renewable resource industry. It's sad.
Where is the State Police? I'm sure members of the county pay state taxes. I know in my town, a few years ago, they were almost called in to cover the 12 - 8 AM shift because of budget woes but with some "creative" financial moves it never materialized.
Selig believes politics are behind the county government’s decision to not funnel what funds they do have toward law enforcement. He says the county government seems to be pressuring the citizens to pass an additional tax hike they cannot afford
The local pols were trying to bully the town into raising taxes by focusing on these essential services and then spreading fear through the way the messaged things. Happily the town told them to go **** themselves and took it upon themselves to sort things out. There's the REAL lesson in this. Do not play their game, change the rules.Can't the Sheriff deputize some of the locals? Serious question.
Flame away, but I have to believe that it is a pretty tight knit community and if I were the Sheriff, I would ask 10 of the most level headed, responsible guys I know if they would step up and become volunteer deputies.
You mean like putting up gates at national parks while workers were being paid to stay at home during the shutdown?The local pols were trying to bully the town into raising taxes by focusing on these essential services and then spreading fear through the way the messaged things. Happily the town told them to go **** themselves and took it upon themselves to sort things out. There's the REAL lesson in this. Do not play their game, change the rules.
methinks people aren't sure of the difference between the words citizen and civilian in this thread.
Another problem is methed out tweakers that think absolutely nothing of beating the shit out of elderly people for the change in their pocket. Can we really expect them to defend themselves? ...
methinks people aren't sure of the difference between the words citizen and civilian in this thread.
Can't the Sheriff deputize some of the locals? Serious question. ...
If I remember correctly citizens also stopped the shoe bomber on the plane and a citizen stopped the bomber in NY.A citizen found the marathon bomber.