An old WWII film

The Jug is my all time favorite warbird. It's too bad they couldn't fly to Berlin and back though. I believe I saw a similar show on discovery channel about ten years ago. Thanks Fred.
 
the P-51 Mustang and supermarine spitfire are my favorites, i love the sound of that rolls Royce Merlin engine!!!.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LpH0gDSqrMs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UxX3ay3GzP8

it's sad to know that that Britain the country that single handedly fought off the Nazi jackboot and invented the best fighter of the war now pads there light polls for people carelsss enough to walk into them!

sir Winston Churchill must be rolling over in his grave!
 
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Cool video. Thanks for posting.

Trivia question:

Does anybody why was there a mechanic or crew chief riding on the wing in some of the videos?
 
calsdad said:
Cool video. Thanks for posting.

Trivia question:

Does anybody why was there a mechanic or crew chief riding on the wing in some of the videos?
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because the p-47 has a massive radial engine and the pilots could not see what was in front of them. the mechanic or crew chief would give the pilot directions on where to turn or when to stop. the f4U corsair, hellcat and wildcat had the same problem. only radial engines could used in the pacific because of the horrible humid conditions and jungle rot. European theater had all the sleek liquid cooled in-line engines because of the less extream conditions. the in lines engines were not as tough as the radial engines, radials could take hits and still preform but a single shot in a liquid cooled in-line could cease everything.

the p-47 excelled as a air to ground attack plane because of it strong frame, powerful engine, heavy armament and large fuel capacity. the spitfire was strictly a interceptor so it was lightly built and could not take the abuse that a p-47 or a p-51 could take. the p-51 was made to escort our bombers over Europe and did the job well it was less maneuverable than the spitfire but made up for it in the integrity of the design.
 
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evan9201 said:
because the p-47 has a massive radial engine and the pilots could not see what was in front of them. the mechanic or crew chief would give the pilot directions on where to turn or when to stop. the f4U corsair, hellcat and wildcat had the same problem. only radial engines could used in the pacific because of the horrible humid conditions and jungle rot. European theater had all the sleek liquid cooled in-line engines because of the less extream conditions. the in lines engines were not as tough as the radial engines, radials could take hits and still preform but a single shot in a liquid cooled in-line could cease everything.

the p-47 excelled as a air to ground attack plane because of it strong frame, powerful engine, heavy armament and large fuel capacity. the spitfire was strictly a interceptor so it was lightly built and could not take the abuse that a p-47 or a p-47 could take. the p-51 was made to escort our bombers over Europe and did the job well it was less maneuverable than the spitfire but made up for it in the integrity of the design.
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We have a winner!

Got it on the first try. [smile]

Actually part of the reason was the engine - the larger part of the reason was the massive propellor that engine was turning. The landing gear had to be made tall enough to let the propellor clear the ground - hence the angle the pilot saw was blue sky and not the ground when taxiing.
 
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interceptor- supermarine spitfire
all around fighter-p-51 mustang
bomber-lancaster
ww2 rifle- lee-enfield

and throw in the British de havilland mosquito because of the coolness of the design- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=don2J7S8VjY the frame was entirely made out of plywood and it needed no guns because it was so fast it could out run any aircraft.

can you tell im half english?[wink]
 
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It's hard to say I really enjoy those film seeing a lot of the guys in them probably didn't make it through the war. But, they are very interesting to watch. Thanks for sharing!
 
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the only thing with the spitfire video is that the bf 109 has a merlin in it not a Daimler Benz like this one- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5nj77mJlzrc . you can tell by the position of the exhaust pipes.
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Those are Spanish AF 109's - I forget the actual nomenclature for that model. The Spanish AF had a bunch of 109's and HE111's that were retrofitted for the Merlin post WWII - when they could no longer get Daimler engines. You can see them in the quite good WWII movie The Battle of Britain made in the late 60's. The Spanish AF was flying them right up to around 1970 IIRC.
 
Radial Engine v Inline: Please Explain

evan9201 said:
only radial engines could used in the pacific because of the horrible humid conditions and jungle rot. European theater had all the sleek liquid cooled in-line engines because of the less extream conditions. the in lines engines were not as tough as the radial engines, radials could take hits and still preform but a single shot in a liquid cooled in-line could cease everything.
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I've never heard of the "Radial because of humidity & jungle rot". Please explain?
I would have thought Radial for the Navy/US Marines because of easier maintainence on board ships. (Easier to swap, easier access, etc.)

Please disabuse me.
 
ZX14 said:
I've never heard of the "Radial because of humidity & jungle rot". Please explain?
I would have thought Radial for the Navy/US Marines because of easier maintainence on board ships. (Easier to swap, easier access, etc.)

Please disabuse me.
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That's crap. There were plenty of inline engines used in the pacific theater - the P 40, P 38 and P 39 all had in-line allison engines.

The Navy used rotary engines hence the navy fighters like the F4F Wildcat, F6F Hellcat and F4U Corsair used rotary engines.

They used both in Europe. The army started the war with the inline Allison engine as it's standard fighter engine, it was used in the P38, P39, P40 and origionally in the P51. The Twin Wasp rotary engines we had at the begining of the war produced less power then the Allison and so were used in Bombers by the Army Air Corps where they could be used in multiples. The Navy opted for the rotary because they WERE tougher and were easier to maintain - however hits to the engine of EITHER type would disable it. The big difference with the inline was the RADIATOR being vulnerable to enemy fire. Aircooled engines didn't have a radiator & thus had one less thing to go wrong. OTOH, they were less areodynamic and prone to overheating.

By 1943 thy had developed the much more powerful R2800 radial that powered the F6F, TBF, SBU, F4U naval planes and the P47 and B26 Army Air Corps planes.

The British had the best allied in line engine of the war with the RR Merlin. Once that was mated to the P51 airframe in the P51B version the plane became a war-winner. It had longer range then the P47 (at the time, later a long range version of the P47 matched the 51's range) and, more importantly, it was significantly cheaper to build.
 
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radial engines were not subject to the harsh conditions of salt air, fine sand and heat and humidity on the pacific islands. inlines would be ground to pieces buy the fine volcanic and other fine sands of the Pacific. yes there were some in-lines used in the Pacific early in the war but not to the extent of Europe. if i were flying in the Pacific i would have wanted to be flying the corsair because it was the best fighter of the Pacific IMO.
 
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radial engines were not subject to the harsh conditions of salt air, fine sand and heat and humidity on the pacific islands. inlines would be ground to pieces but the fine volcanic and other fine sands of the Pacific. yes there were some in-lines used in the Pacific early in the war but not to the extent of Europe.
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Can you back that up? ALL engines are subject to salt, dust etc. Inline engines were used EXTENSIVLY by the US Army Air Forces in the pacific. http://www.usaaf.net/ww2/hittinghome/

The P40 and P39 saw extensive service with the Army Air Force in the first half of the war, the P51 throughout the bombing campaign against Japan and the P38 throughout the entire war. A P38 flown in the pacific theater yielded the top American Ace of the entire war AND shot down the plane carrying Yamamoto.
 
it common sense radials have less parts and you don't have a radiator system to contend with and service.

"The radial was more popular largely due to its simplicity, and most navy air arms had dedicated themselves to it because of its improved reliability for over-water flights and better power/weight ratio for aircraft carrier takeoffs. Although inline engines offer smaller frontal area than radials, inline engines require the added weight and complexity of cooling systems and are generally more vulnerable to battle damage; damage to an inline engine could result in a loss of coolant and consequent engine seizure, while an air-cooled radial could take damage but continue to operate.[3] A significant advantage of the air-cooled radial is that all cylinders receive equal cooling airflow".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radial_engine#Radial_versus_inline_debate

like i said said inlines were used by the allies no doubt about it.

im done with this pissing contest[wink]
 
That's doesn't support your contention that inline engines weren't used in the pacific theater, merely that the navy used radials which I already agreed. Further, the article doesn't support your contention that radial engines were more able to withstand the rigors of island conditions - just that they were simpler and more rugged - again, both points I agreed with you on earlier.

The army used inline engines on all of their WWII era fighters with the exception of the P47 and P60. The P60 wa a night fighter and only deployed in small numbers at the end of the war. The P47 was also deployed in the Pacific in smaller numbers. The most common army air fighter in the Pacific Theater was the P40 - an inline engined fighter.

Significant numbers of P51s served with the US Army Airforces Strategic Command Pacific in the latter half of the war escorting B29's.

Naval air just got more publicity in the Pacific during WWII so we tend to associate Pacific air combat with radial engines. Army air contributions tend to get overlooked in most pictorial histories and documentaries.
 
Bob P & Evan: Thanks for the Info

Minor Threadjack is ended. I now return us to our regularly scheduled programming.

P38 are my favorite. (Today.)

I like Mustangs a lot less now that Tom Cruise has one.

I have a (ir)rational dislike of all Axis aircraft. And I'm not too thrilled with the planes the Russkies flew either.
 
ZX14 said:
Minor Threadjack is ended. I now return us to our regularly scheduled programming.

P38 are my favorite. (Today.)

I like Mustangs a lot less now that Tom Cruise has one.

I have a (ir)rational dislike of all Axis aircraft. And I'm not too thrilled with the planes the Russkies flew either.
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Damn, I didn't know he had one. [angry] That actually ruins the plane for me too [laugh] I love the P38 - it's got an art deco sensibility about it that makes it a beautiful airplane.
 

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