I was reading the Mass Awb and enforcement notice last night and came to the conclusion that if you replaced your stock on your rifle with a pistol brace that the brace would not have to be pinned because mass defines the stock the same way the atf does. Since you put a brace on a rifle you could then shoulder it. Is this conclusion incorrect?
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Adjustable stock solution?
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SJan
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You can not make a rifle into a pistol.
A rifle "is designed to be fired from the sholder" a brace is not designed to be shouldered. Not sure if the brace alone changes the definition without a <16" barrel
A rifle "is designed to be fired from the sholder" a brace is not designed to be shouldered. Not sure if the brace alone changes the definition without a <16" barrel
HorizontalHunter
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Buy a preban and you will be set. It’s a little more expensive up front but it’s still cheaper than a lawyer.
Bob
JRT
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You can add a Law Tactical folding stock adapter, I don't like the idea of having a single shot when its folded but its compact AF. Again, I have no idea if your state has laws that infringe on your choices.
You're in the wrong state for 'truck guns'.
JRT
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In Pennsylvania an SBR is governed as a pistol, so I can throw a loaded SBR on my truck seat and I'm legal. If you SBR your AR can you then carry it loaded in a vehicle? The eForm system makes making an SBR very easy, of course it will cost you $200.
You seem to consider yourself an authority on what's legal and what's not, so just interpret how you're going to interpret and keep your fingers crossed.
I'm not trying to get into a pissing match, but you don't really seem to ACTUALLY know much about MA laws.
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alright, what happened to our unwritten motto here at nes...oh shit, the op isn't green! just like the handshake, i can't reveal it until he or she is green.
So... you have a rifle as defined under mgl. You want to replace the stock with a brace thinking it would no longer be defined under mgl as a rifle. With a 16” or greater barrel it couldn’t be considered a pistol (disregarding a rifle cannot be remade in to a pistol as well awb weight restrictions). Are you leaning toward it being classified as “firearm” with the brace?
I not thinking it should redefine the rifle as anything other than rifle. I'm just wondering if the pistol brace would be considered a stock in which case it would have to be pinned or otherwise fixed correct? If still considered a brace does that fall under the Awb in which it states adjustable stock as defined by atf definition of a stock. Pretty much if I add a brace can I keep that adjustable or does that become a stock when added to rifle?
That's the way to do it in order to be legal, but in that case it's just better to CC a pistol so that you can have something ready to go and legal because it's on your person. We're just in the wrong stupid-ass state for a truck gun.
If you were dead set on a compact AR platform and didn't want to spend stupid money on a preban, an alternative would be a fixed mag pistol. 10 rounds of 300 BLK would offer decent firepower from a 10.5" barrel and folded it would be very compact.
JRT
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Don’t ask the ATF for opinions, everybody needs to stop asking the ATF FFS.
Im confused.... so you want a stock that doesnt have to be pinned to the buffer tube? Just get a fixed stock if you don't want to pin an adjustable stock.
You can shoulder a pistol brace.
Putting a pistol brace on an "assault" rifle does not make it not an assault rifle.
Putting a pistol brace on any rifle does not make it a "pistol".
You can not convert a rifle into a pistol.
You CAN convert a pistol into a rifle with a tax stamp.
fencer
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What folks are saying is just because it is sold as a brace doesn't mean the arresting officer will agree. Otherwise, they would just call it a hoola hoop. I think the point is, even if you are correct ( and i don't think so) the cost to defend it will be a lot more than just buying a pre ban lower. Hell, even on a preban lower, I think you are going away and your firearm is getting confiscated while awaiting trial. Cops typically are not familiar with every aspect of the law, and you are not holding court on the side of the road.
Sure, you are probably going to win in the end. But it will come with a steep price. I think you are better off coming up with an alternate storage solution that will accommodate a pinned stock.
Sure, you are probably going to win in the end. But it will come with a steep price. I think you are better off coming up with an alternate storage solution that will accommodate a pinned stock.
In that quote I was referring to the law folding stock. Also I've already said it's needs to be transported as a rifle the question is on weather a folding brace counts as a stock when referring to the features on the Awb. Meaning fixed or remaining adjustable
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Get a S&W 500 with an 8 inch barrel and call it a day
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