450 Mayors Petition Obama To Adopt Broad Gun Reform

[MaineCWPtraining]

By David S. Fallis

Saturday, October 3, 2009

A new report from a national coalition of mayors urges President Obama to adopt dozens of reforms to help curb gun violence, including steps to crack down on problems at gun shows and the creation of a federal interstate firearms trafficking unit.

The "Blueprint for Federal Action on Illegal Guns," a copy of which was obtained by The Washington Post, presents 40 recommendations that "would dramatically improve law enforcement's ability to keep guns out of the hands of criminals -- and, in doing so, save innocent lives."

WASHINGTON POST

 

[weekendracer]

Something as straight forward as a list of XX items, you'd think they'd print the list instead of giving an advert for the problems of ATF?

 

[Doc Holiday]

Anyone have a copy of the list, so I have some good toilet paper to use when I have to torque out a hefty stink pickle. Trust me when I tell you, when they call it a 20lb paper, they mean it, about 20lbs is all it can deflect before you have a mess on your shoes.

 

[mikem317]

All of this is incorrectly premised that lawful, peaceable gun owners are the source of the violence that's plaguing American inner-cities.

 

[Fixxah]

Don't the mayors have anything important to worry about?

 

[wahsben]

80 million gun owners need to sign a petition to leave us alone and push for criminal control not gun control.

 

[BBQ.Uncle]

All of this is incorrectly premised that lawful, peaceable gun owners are the source of the violence that's plaguing American inner-cities.

That would assume these douches have the best intentions. They say they're trying to eradicate a plague of illegal guns in inner-cities and eliminate crime. What they really want is an unarmed population of law-abiding citizens who are now reliant on .gov for protection and unable to challenge .gov when .gov starts eliminating the rest of the Constitution.

I stopped believing awhile back that Liberals are well intentioned, incorrect, patriots who want the best for everyone and simply are going about it the wrong way. They are, in fact, domestic enemies of the Constitution. It's important to remember this. They're not naive or stupid. They're just evil.

 

[Pete85]

So 450 mayors are telling Obama that they can't control crime in their area and asking him to step on people's civil rights so they can make it look like they're doing something to stop violence?

 

[cekim]

I stopped believing awhile back that Liberals are well intentioned, incorrect, patriots who want the best for everyone and simply are going about it the wrong way. They are, in fact, domestic enemies of the Constitution. It's important to remember this. They're not naive or stupid. They're just evil.

There are two distinct groups:

Those who don't know any better and those who very much do, but have the ulterior motive of keeping the unwashed masses unarmed, distracted and off the gates of their manors...

 

[jar]

I wonder how many of those mayors are pissed that Bloomberg signed their names to this. I've been following the issues with Mayors Against Illegal Guns via snowflakesinhell.blogspot.com. Many mayors have resigned when they found out that it was actually a gun control group. They signed on thinking 'who isn't against illegal guns?'. Then they found out that Bloomberg and mumbles want to make all guns illegal.

 

[mikem317]

I wonder how many of those mayors are pissed that Bloomberg signed their names to this. I've been following the issues with Mayors Against Illegal Guns via snowflakesinhell.blogspot.com. Many mayors have resigned when they found out that it was actually a gun control group. They signed on thinking 'who isn't against illegal guns?'. Then they found out that Bloomberg and mumbles want to make all guns illegal.

Fixed it for you:

Then they found out that Bloomberg and mumbles want to make all guns owned by private citizens illegal.

[sad2]

 

[kurtb]

I stopped believing awhile back that Liberals are well intentioned, incorrect, patriots who want the best for everyone and simply are going about it the wrong way. They are, in fact, domestic enemies of the Constitution. It's important to remember this. They're not naive or stupid. They're just evil.

Wow!

 

[strangenh]

So 450 mayors are telling Obama that they can't control crime in their area and asking him to step on people's civil rights so they can make it look like they're doing something to stop violence?

Yes.

 

[jar]

I stopped believing awhile back that Liberals are well intentioned, incorrect, patriots who want the best for everyone and simply are going about it the wrong way. They are, in fact, domestic enemies of the Constitution. It's important to remember this. They're not naive or stupid. They're just evil.

Some blogger or other calls the Dems the Evil Party and the Repubs the Stupid Party. I think he's probably right.

 

[BBQ.Uncle]

Some blogger or other calls the Dems the Evil Party and the Repubs the Stupid Party. I think he's probably right.

I think he's onto something. Which is why I will belong to neither.

Democrats, however do not automatically equal Liberals, just as Republicans do not automatically equal Conservative. I worry about D's and R's alike...but it's the liberals/progressives (fascist leftists) that concern me the most.

 

[fubar]

What are the problems Obama will fix with gun shows ?

High prices on firearms & ammo I hope. ... " Oh. Wait ... nevermind.

 

[soloman02]

I think he's onto something. Which is why I will belong to neither.

Democrats, however do not automatically equal Liberals, just as Republicans do not automatically equal Conservative. I worry about D's and R's alike...but it's the liberals/progressives (fascist leftists) that concern me the most.

QFT

 

[Finalygotabeltfed]

450 Mayors Petition Obama To Adopt Broad Gun Reform

Thats 450 mayors who should be unemployed after their next election cycle or sooner.

 

[clinotus]

450 Mayors Petition Obama To Adopt Broad Gun Reform

Thats 450 mayors who should be unemployed after their next election cycle or sooner.

A+++++

We should be using these lists as voter sheets and thanking them for corralling themselves in a manner that makes it easier to vote, lib style.

 

[Bob P]

So 450 mayors are telling Obama that they can't control crime in their area and asking him to step on people's civil rights so they can make it look like they're doing something to stop violence?

Ding, ding, ding! We have a winner boys and girls!

 

[jmhorrible]

Blogger obtained Blumberg's/Menino's Plans through FOIA

http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/2009/12/28/bloombergs-blueprint/

I have obtained a copy of Bloomberg’s secret “Blueprint for Federal Action on Guns” which is really a blueprint for how the Obama Administration can screw gun owners without needing anything from Congress.

Chuck Michel is responsible for filing to FOIA request to get this one out and public where it belongs. This was the infamous 40 recommendations that the Washington Post reported on a few months ago. It this document doesn’t convince you that MAIG is a significantly more serious threat than any other gun control organization out there, nothing will. Whoever wrote this knows ATF very well, and understands federal gun laws well enough to know how to effectively make changes using only administrative and regulatory changes, which do not require action from the US Congress.

While some of the 40 recommendations are not objectionable, quite a number of them are. Let me go down the list and pick out some of the worst offenders, and this is by no means a comprehensive list. Look at the document yourself to find others:

Require REAL ID compliant identification for all gun purchasers. Those in non-complying states, which are many, will no longer be permitted to buy firearms.
Recommends a ban on the importation of all “non-sporting” firearms and ammunition, and specifically calls for banning the FN Five-Seven. Kiss cheap imported rounds of military caliber goodbye. Maybe kiss Glock’s goodbye too. MAIG isn’t all that specific on what would be sporting or non sporting. Also note that MAIG can no longer claim they do not advocate banning guns. They do.
Calls for keeping records for people who get a NICS default proceed, which means your background check has not “cleared” but you went through the required three day waiting period. These records can be kept for up to 20 years, in the case of someone who’s name matches someone on the “terror watch” list and six months ordinarily. Default proceeds can happen if NICS has incomplete records, or the system is down for a protracted period of time.
Calls for more enforcement of gun shows using the Richmond model. The techniques used at the Richmond gun shows were bad enough that Congress held hearings about the methods, and demanding ATF put a stop to them. They actually recommend rescinding a number of the changes made to prevent these abuses.
Recommends ways for the administration to exploit loopholes in Tiahrt to publish information on “problematic” gun dealers (so they can be sued by New York City, no doubt). As we’ve pointed out on this blog before, having a lot of traces doesn’t necessarily mean a dealer is breaking the law.
Lots of recommendations for new record keeping requirements on the part of FFLs
Requiring placement of alternate serial numbers of every newly manufactured gun, and requiring serial numbers to be deeper and larger. Also require that a consistent serial numbering scheme be adopted across all manufacturers and importers.
Asks ATF to promote MAIG’s Responsible Dealer Partnership Program that they foisted on Wal-Mart, much like they do with NSSF’s “Don’t Lie for the Other Guy.” They imply NSSF’s program does not go far enough.
Asks the CPSC to mandate gun safety lock standards. Gun dealers are required to provide these, but many gun owners are older, or younger, and do not have children. This would be a way to add substantially to the cost of a firearm, if a 30 dollar lock needed to be included with each sale.
Extend the multiple purchase reporting requirement to long guns, especially ARs, 50 caliber firearms, and Kalashnikov variants. MAIG is not very clear on this, and I think it would be difficult for dealers to keep track of the current state of regulation.
Specifically calls for the Stinger Pen Gun to be reclassified as an AOW. I had never heard of this before, but I guess it really pisses off someone in the New York Mayor’s office, which is a good enough reason, if any, to go buy one.

There can be no doubt now that MAIG is a gun control group, and a particularly dangerous one. This blueprint is comprehensive, and very well put together. Whoever helped MAIG with this knows what they are talking about, and I would imagine is a former higher up at ATF, since it evinces a detailed knowledge of how ATF works, and what their weaknesses are.

Please, if you have a MAIG Mayor in your town, or near your town, we need your help in getting them out. After the holidays, we’re all going to have some work to do in this regard, especially here in Pennsylvania. We’re pretty screwed if Obama even does some of these things. Let’s hope he has the good sense to know that the rest of the country isn’t New York City when it comes to this topic.

 

[terraformer]

Here is a link to the actual MAIG blueprint on gun control report and not just some guy's impressions of it.

A lot of it is not nefarious at all. In fact, a lot of it falls under "enforcing the laws that are already on the books". Sound familiar? There are some troubling parts for sure. The real id part is troubling, but to be honest, that is not needed if they link the NICS to the state DL databases to cross check lost or stolen IDs as they also recommend.

A lot of the recommendations deal with allowing ATF to police and sting sellers, regardless of their FFL status. Having gone this long not enforcing these laws, it will be woefully unfair to people caught up in these if some outreach doesn't happen first, but selling to an out of state or prohibited buyer has been illegal for some time now. Should it not be enforced? The NRA says to enforce the laws already on the books. Much of this is in that vein.

The import crap and the hard on for pen guns, AKs and ARs (not to mention Mexico) they have are another thing entirely and show they are out to ban guns and without a doubt would if they could.

 

[terraformer]

Reading this more, they have a hard on for 12 gauges now. FUDDs, look out now! Look at Appendix B for the complete list in a easy to read form.

 

[jmhorrible]

Here is a link to the actual MAIG blueprint on gun control report and not just some guy's impressions of it.

Why would you read the primary source when you can just take some anonymous guys interpretation?

Thanks for adding the link

 

[Viper22]

Anyone have a copy of the list, so I have some good toilet paper to use when I have to torque out a hefty stink pickle.

Absolutely the funniest thing I've read all year.

 

[drumenigma]

That concept of a REAL ID is nothing new. It's just another attempt at tracking the citizenry and keep us in line.

 

[pernox]

Reading this more, they have a hard on for 12 gauges now. FUDDs, look out now! Look at Appendix B for the complete list in a easy to read form.

Excellent! I hope they include bolt guns and double-barrel shotties of all kinds, too. It's about time the Fudds woke up and got pissed off enough to do something about it.

 

[massamerican]

80 million gun owners need to sign a petition to leave us alone and push for criminal control not gun control.

Exactly! Lets do a 80 million man and woman march on the capital, open carry of coarse.

 

[justanotherparatrooper]

Im surprised about the real Id thing concidering that they fought it so hard at the voting booth .

 

[terraformer]

Does anyone have a good OCR application they can run this PDF under to extract the text?

ETA: Forget it. I had acrobat and it's OCR gave me what I wanted.