Everyone please stop feeding the troll. Just put him on ignore.Weak sauce...PLEASE EXPLAINE
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Everyone please stop feeding the troll. Just put him on ignore.Weak sauce...PLEASE EXPLAINE
This is a clusterf*** of epic proportions based on everything coming out as of now. Barricaded can be constructed as many other things, which becomes a mute point considering the situation at hand.My comment, for crying out loud. It's possible for it to be a barricaded situation and still have an active shooter. If you can't get into the area, it's barricaded. Some people will have different takes on that.
Useful actions is a loaded term. They stopped him from moving further into the school. I'm not saying it was an optimal response, but 'doing nothing' isn't quite the same thing. The narrative was 'cops were outside doing nothing', when it appears they were in the school, didn't think to grab a key and a couple desks, counter barricade the door, unlock door and enter.Nobody actually wanted the parents to go in. They wanted the cops who were there to do something. It’s great that there were a bunch of cops on scene quickly. But it’s absolutely meaningless if they show up and don’t take any useful actions. Hiding around the corner in a hallway doesn’t do a whole lot of good when there’s someone on the other side murdering children.
I'm not in disagreement. But it doesn't sound like it was as completely off the rails as the initial report at least. At least until I find out my latest information is bad.This is a clusterf*** of epic proportions based on everything coming out as of now.
Of course not, hence my comment few pages back on let’s get more info coming through. Also, considering the strange times we live in I don’t trust anything coming through.I'm not in disagreement. But it doesn't sound like it was as completely off the rails as the initial report at least. At least until I find out my latest information is bad.
Remember more people win the Powerball than these events happen every year.I always carry my G19 but do I now need to carry my AR and a bunch of mags in my vehicle? As previously stated my 5 yr old grandson goes to kindergarten next September and I'm conflicted about what I do if I have to pick him up.
I'm hoping there were cameras in the hallway, that should be standard at every school, recorded off site.Of course not, hence my comment few pages back on let’s get more info coming through.
I believe you mean a "moo" point.This is a clusterf*** of epic proportions based on everything coming out as of now. Barricaded can be constructed as many other things, which becomes a mute point considering the situation at hand.
She didn’t get that working at the deliYeah my gf worked nights and weekends at a deli market and saved over 20 grand by the time she graduated high school. Teens can accumulate quite a bit of fun money since they don't pay life expenses yet.
I'm not diving back through this thread, but does anyone know the ISD's Police Chief's history? It would be a nice followup to this post.Thats not necessarily how ICS works. The IC is whoever is agreed to be the IC. Just because there's a moron who has jurisdiction does not mean that person will remain the IC, often times it is passed to more important/useful/knowledge people when they arrive if the starting IC is some moron from a 6 person department who has no idea what they're doing.
The IC should be public knowledge its not kept secret. Handoffs of IC should also be known to all, after all everyone there needs to know who the IC is.
For instance, if I responded to a fire on an Engine and I was the LT that day I would technically be the IC on arrival. I would pass command to the 1st officer who arrives who outranks me, mostly because I'd be balls deep dealing with the fire and unable to see the entire picture. That person would pass IC onto the Deputy Chief whose in charge of the entire shift. That person would potentially pass IC onto the department chief if the fire is big enough. Usually if it's 3 alarms or higher the Deputy Chief will pass command or have command taken from him by the chief.
It all depends on a million things. the ICS system is ok but its also a pain in the ass and next to no one knows it very well as it's boring and bloated. The irony is it's supposed to streamline everything.
Sometimes at huge fires, like the one at the San Diego Naval Yard there are 2 IC's who don't get along. In that case it was the shit tier local Naval Yard fire department with their own IC and the San Diego fire department with their IC who apparently had such little faith in the Naval Yards IC they refused to fall under their command. That's unusual but it does happen.
G'DF'nDamnIt!
We might actually get some answers considering the two different entities responding to it. It would be hard to get anything if just the local donut lovers were there. The incompetence is so staggering that these clowns would fold under internal investigation. They are too stupid.I'm hoping there were cameras in the hallway, that should be standard at every school, recorded off site.
I want to see video time stamps of what happened when. Then I'll make an absolute opinion of what happened.
Usually the IC is the first responding entity on the scene.Thats not necessarily how ICS works. The IC is whoever is agreed to be the IC. Just because there's a moron who has jurisdiction does not mean that person will remain the IC, often times it is passed to more important/useful/knowledge people when they arrive if the starting IC is some moron from a 6 person department who has no idea what they're doing.
The IC should be public knowledge its not kept secret. Handoffs of IC should also be known to all, after all everyone there needs to know who the IC is.
For instance, if I responded to a fire on an Engine and I was the LT that day I would technically be the IC on arrival. I would pass command to the 1st officer who arrives who outranks me, mostly because I'd be balls deep dealing with the fire and unable to see the entire picture. That person would pass IC onto the Deputy Chief whose in charge of the entire shift. That person would potentially pass IC onto the department chief if the fire is big enough. Usually if it's 3 alarms or higher the Deputy Chief will pass command or have command taken from him by the chief.
It all depends on a million things. the ICS system is ok but its also a pain in the ass and next to no one knows it very well as it's boring and bloated. The irony is it's supposed to streamline everything.
Sometimes at huge fires, like the one at the San Diego Naval Yard there are 2 IC's who don't get along. In that case it was the shit tier local Naval Yard fire department with their own IC and the San Diego fire department with their IC who apparently had such little faith in the Naval Yards IC they refused to fall under their command. That's unusual but it does happen.
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1st time that subs ever actually been funny.
The hate against these morons is bipartisan. Finally something brings us together.
yes, i said that in my example.Usually the IC is the first responding entity on the scene.
Exactly, if you talked to him last week, I doubt he'd have been so clear cut on it.Apparently that list would include the Texas DPS.
That's the theory. Obviously didn't happen in this case, or the local police were even more inept than the school cops. I wonder if in this case jurisdiction was seen as more important than competence or training.Thats not necessarily how ICS works. The IC is whoever is agreed to be the IC. Just because there's a moron who has jurisdiction does not mean that person will remain the IC, often times it is passed to more important/useful/knowledge people when they arrive if the starting IC is some moron from a 6 person department who has no idea what they're doing.
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I never held onto IC after someone showed up, but I've seen cops and fire/medics get into it.
But it's the SOP. Don't like the SOP, go be a mall cop.Taking the statements at face value, the initial 3 cops tried to enter the classroom, the door was locked and they took hits through the door.
I'm not exactly leaning towards it being a clean op by any means, but standing in a locked doorway taking hits is a tough row to hoe.
That seems to be what happened. Can't disagree.And to reiterate, the DPS director literally stated that what they were suppose to do is stack up and immediately find and then engage the shooter. It seems like at least the first three or four guys made an attempt, and failed.
After that though, apparently they just gave up entirely and waited for the goddamn border patrol to do something. That’s not even their job! Talk about shirking responsibility!
They had at least 19 guys there and not a single one of them thought to make any plan of action? Instead felt inaction was the best plan? Meanwhile there are kids and teachers inside calling for, begging for help. And nothing?
If it turns out that those who called 911 while the police were there ended up being killed, heads need to roll. It’s inexcusable.
Hey, I've never run from gunfire. Pretty damn sure I would have done something different. But throw in the dynamic of a IC who is telling everyone to do something else, I could see some getting caught in a Goofy loop instead of an OODA loop.But it's the SOP. Don't like the SOP, go be a mall cop.
Not going to lie, I only glanced at the first sentenceyes, i said that in my example.
And I also noted that it's usually passed or taken soon after.